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FFP, silly money etc...bitter

Couple of things here about Alex Fergusons comments about city spending figures in particular.

Quoted figures of half a billion pounds has been bandied about being spent.... won't man utd have to spend that figure to pull themselves out of debt?

Also on the implementation of FFP, Man city will comply without leaching off the fans..
It's a shame that "some" clubs have ignored the charter that they all initially signed up to to limit new kits being brought out to once every two seasons and now bring one out every season.

Just something to keep in mind...

posted on 15/5/12

i said don't lie. i posted a link to this article, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/8515333/Manchester-City-and-Manchester-United-will-both-make-open-top-bus-parades-after-their-Cup-and-league-successes.html, from the telegraph, which states "almost one million fans took to the streets of manchester when united last paraded through the city following the club’s treble success in 1999." there are many differing estimates, but the very vast mjaority are all around that figure, apart from one which you dug up. you then, predictably dimissed that number, and did the same when i showed you a similar estimate from liverpool's homecoming in 2005, which at least shows you weren't just being anti united.

so i met you half way and said something along the lines of "even if (two key words, by the way) the estimate from 99 was wildly exaggerated then then city still only managed, at most, a sixth of the turnout last night".

posted on 15/5/12

Again the point flies right over your head.

No matter what link you provide, your own words betray you. YOU (again, that's YOU) stated that City's parade was "barely a sixth of United's" in 1999. Your words Ole. Not mine. Not any link that you produce.

And all along my point was simple - any figure provided was nothing but an estimate, not an actual figure. I said quite clearly that not all the estimates listed could be correct, thus we have to question the validity of all of them.

And in meeting me half-way, that's also where it went wrong for you. Even if City's parade last night was a sixth of your half-way figure, then that means that (according to your figures that you cited in regards to City's parade attendance), then United's parade attendance was 300,000. You understand yet? No matter what link you (or I for that matter) produce, if you say that City's was "barely a sixth" of United's figure in 1999, then either the 1 million figure for 1999 is incorrect, or the 50,000 figure for last night is incorrect. Hence, why your are defeating your own argument.

You need to understand what's being said. The bottom line is really rather simple.

As for Liverpool's parade, the figures quoted for that are equally as ridiculous. 300k around St George's Hall? Do me a favour. Just compare the pictures of St George's Hall with the link I provided for Live Aid 1985. You tell me, did it look like 4 times the amount of people were in attendance at St George's Hall than were in attendance at Live Aid?

Because one is an official figure, the other is not. I'll leave you to work out which is which.

posted on 15/5/12

Ole you've tried to put forward the point that generating income through club operations is the only way for clubs to be run.

Consider,

If a club draws a loan to spend say 100k on asset purchasing activity to draw more fans and then relying on the extra fans to contribute in paying the loan back

Is this more acceptable than an owner spending 100k of his own money to buy an asset which in turn draws more fans?

Note that the number of available fans, like real life is finite.

posted on 15/5/12

Still arguing about parade figures? The city has a big local support for both clubs, just leave it at that.

comment by RB&W (U2335)

posted on 15/5/12

The city has a big local support for both clubs, just leave it at that.
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but ours is bigger

posted on 15/5/12

Of course it is

posted on 15/5/12

significantly bigger.

posted on 17/5/12

comment by ole_1999 (U13262)
posted 38 minutes ago
seventy one million on interest and bond buybacks? we could have bought van persie and still had plenty to spare for that.

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Silly money? That's what man utd are spending on those financial items... at least players will still have a resale value.

posted on 17/5/12

stop following me, this isn't twitter.

posted on 17/5/12

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