Tottenham - LIVE Match Thread

I hate the Ange tactic of not shooting outside the six yard box.

comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 3 minutes ago
that needs surgery
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He won't have it because the Euro's are coming up and he will want to go for a jolly like he did when the WC waa on.

Ange was talking about some of the coaching staff being replaced this summer as well.

comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 10 minutes ago
Klopp's first season - 60 points
arteta's first season - 56 points
Ange first season - 60+ points

we're where we should be,
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People keep missing the point with these comparisons. Klopp got to cup finals when he first took over, Arteta won an FA Cup. Both took over after the season started so didn't get to spend large sums in the summer like Ange has. Both had European football in the background so more fixtures.

We've spent £200m in a European-free campaign to get a few more points in the league from last season. That's it. We went out of the cups earlier and the football we're finishing on appears to be no better. Ange has very little credit in the bank from this season, if any.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 10 minutes ago
Klopp's first season - 60 points
arteta's first season - 56 points
Ange first season - 60+ points

we're where we should be,
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People keep missing the point with these comparisons. Klopp got to cup finals when he first took over, Arteta won an FA Cup. Both took over after the season started so didn't get to spend large sums in the summer like Ange has. Both had European football in the background so more fixtures.

We've spent £200m in a European-free campaign to get a few more points in the league from last season. That's it. We went out of the cups earlier and the football we're finishing on appears to be no better. Ange has very little credit in the bank from this season, if any.
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Expecting to simply drop a Celtic of Rangers manager/coach into the PL and expecting immediate success is a bit naive!

Also this season has been a good rude awakening for Ange!

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 10 minutes ago
Klopp's first season - 60 points
arteta's first season - 56 points
Ange first season - 60+ points

we're where we should be,
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People keep missing the point with these comparisons. Klopp got to cup finals when he first took over, Arteta won an FA Cup. Both took over after the season started so didn't get to spend large sums in the summer like Ange has. Both had European football in the background so more fixtures.

We've spent £200m in a European-free campaign to get a few more points in the league from last season. That's it. We went out of the cups earlier and the football we're finishing on appears to be no better. Ange has very little credit in the bank from this season, if any.
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The underlying point still stands though, give Managers more time. It could be argued that our lack of cup football has been a net negative due to lack of practice. I appreciate the Manager is partly responsible for getting us through though.

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 10 minutes ago
Klopp's first season - 60 points
arteta's first season - 56 points
Ange first season - 60+ points

we're where we should be,
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People keep missing the point with these comparisons. Klopp got to cup finals when he first took over, Arteta won an FA Cup. Both took over after the season started so didn't get to spend large sums in the summer like Ange has. Both had European football in the background so more fixtures.

We've spent £200m in a European-free campaign to get a few more points in the league from last season. That's it. We went out of the cups earlier and the football we're finishing on appears to be no better. Ange has very little credit in the bank from this season, if any.
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The underlying point still stands though, give Managers more time. It could be argued that our lack of cup football has been a net negative due to lack of practice. I appreciate the Manager is partly responsible for getting us through though.
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What competitions were spurs expecting to win? Not winning trophies is in comparison with every previous manager

comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 10 minutes ago
Klopp's first season - 60 points
arteta's first season - 56 points
Ange first season - 60+ points

we're where we should be,
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People keep missing the point with these comparisons. Klopp got to cup finals when he first took over, Arteta won an FA Cup. Both took over after the season started so didn't get to spend large sums in the summer like Ange has. Both had European football in the background so more fixtures.

We've spent £200m in a European-free campaign to get a few more points in the league from last season. That's it. We went out of the cups earlier and the football we're finishing on appears to be no better. Ange has very little credit in the bank from this season, if any.
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Expecting to simply drop a Celtic of Rangers manager/coach into the PL and expecting immediate success is a bit naive!

Also this season has been a good rude awakening for Ange!
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A good manager can still translate success from a poor league to a good one. ETH came from the Dutch league and still won a League Cup and got top 4 in his first season at United.

For the record I'm not saying Ange is a bad manager, time will tell, but I did expect more than do nothing in the cups and collapse the way we have done in our top 4 challenge. Expected with almost a season gone for the football to get closer to how he wants it too, but if anything it's got worse.

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 10 minutes ago
Klopp's first season - 60 points
arteta's first season - 56 points
Ange first season - 60+ points

we're where we should be,
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People keep missing the point with these comparisons. Klopp got to cup finals when he first took over, Arteta won an FA Cup. Both took over after the season started so didn't get to spend large sums in the summer like Ange has. Both had European football in the background so more fixtures.

We've spent £200m in a European-free campaign to get a few more points in the league from last season. That's it. We went out of the cups earlier and the football we're finishing on appears to be no better. Ange has very little credit in the bank from this season, if any.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The underlying point still stands though, give Managers more time. It could be argued that our lack of cup football has been a net negative due to lack of practice. I appreciate the Manager is partly responsible for getting us through though.
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I'll give him more time but this season has become very disappointing. He's shortened the amount of time I'm willing to give him next season with our recent performances and form.

comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 10 minutes ago
Klopp's first season - 60 points
arteta's first season - 56 points
Ange first season - 60+ points

we're where we should be,
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People keep missing the point with these comparisons. Klopp got to cup finals when he first took over, Arteta won an FA Cup. Both took over after the season started so didn't get to spend large sums in the summer like Ange has. Both had European football in the background so more fixtures.

We've spent £200m in a European-free campaign to get a few more points in the league from last season. That's it. We went out of the cups earlier and the football we're finishing on appears to be no better. Ange has very little credit in the bank from this season, if any.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The underlying point still stands though, give Managers more time. It could be argued that our lack of cup football has been a net negative due to lack of practice. I appreciate the Manager is partly responsible for getting us through though.
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What competitions were spurs expecting to win? Not winning trophies is in comparison with every previous manager
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Expecting to go far in at least one and put in a decent top 4 challenge. I think that is fair considering the money spent and the lack of Europe.

The top 4 challenge was all but finished with 4 games to go and we went out earlier in the domestic cups than we did in our disastrous last season.

Poch got 5th and a cup final in his first Spurs season. Redknapp got 4th and a cup semi in his. ETH won a League Cup and got top 3 with United. Klopp reached 2 cup finals when he first took over at Liverpool. Arteta won an FA Cup at Arsenal.

Ange is hanging on to 5th in relegation form and has done nothing in the cups. That's not a great showing compared to the rest, or have I got that wrong?