Live Raw thread

CESARO WINS

ziggler vs big e again.

WWE screwed Ziggler.

I don't care much for Ziggler, I just think he is ok.., nothing special

He sells better than anyone in the WWE. He's definitely better than 'ok'.

I think he can be as big as Daniel Bryan if built up the right way.

Ziggler is fantastic

He lacks a certain something, sure he can sell, but he doesn't have much ring presence for me.

He lacks a certain something, sure he can sell, but he doesn't have much ring presence for me.
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It's true, he does lack in-ring presence. The combination of his physique (yes, it does matter, I'm sorry), the fact that he's been associated with someone else pretty much all his career, and his abilities to make his opponent look the part at his expense all project this unimposing demeanour within the context of matches.

The more exposure he's granted by WWE, the more I'm viewing him as a poor mans Jericho - only where Jericho's versatility gives him value, making him indispensable in my mind, I could take or leave Ziggler quite frankly.

His position in the company isn't unjust what so ever, he's been positioned as he would've been back in the day before WWE's standards depleted - solid mid-card presence/occasional transition champion.

his physique (yes, it does matter, I'm sorry)

you have a point he is a fat mess

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