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No, ridiculous is you trying to engage in a debate that does not concern you or one you do not know the background of

MUDD - please address my point first. It is irrelevant how many points Vettel scored in those three races, as he finished two of them. Once again, your claim was that he "crashed out many times". That has shown not to be true, using the standard English language definition of "crashed out", which would mean not finishing the race due to damage sustained in a crash.

I really didn't think you'd argue so strongly against that point. It's not something you can even argue against.

Hobo, I said I exaggerated a bit. I hold my hands up for that.

Since he finished those races, how many points did he get from them and how did that affect his championship

martial artist (U9033) I am sure that you and me, or should that be you and I, can debate anything.

The two of us would not “run away” or make people “Feel small by dissecting every syllable they say and trying to find a fault”

So let us look at the situation that we face. The term “crash out” could reasonably be construed, by dissecting every syllable, as implying that the driver did not finish the race. Which of course 2010 SPA Sebastian Vettel did finish the race. It is a fact proven by Wiki BEL 15.

OK, Sebastian Vettel had an avoidable collision. No surprises there. He had a race winning car that qualified in 4th raced to 3rd and then crashed into Jenson Button. That avoidable collision effectively put a racing driver with a race winning car into 15th place.

But the game was not over. Not satisfied with 15th place he had an avoidable collision with Vitantonio Liuzzi and ended up being classified as 15th.

Sebastian Vettel may not have “crashed out” as per the “ dissecting every syllable” rules that we dismiss, but he took a race winning car and had two collisions crashing his way out of the points.

Silverstone – your DVD of that race will show that Sebastian Vettel tried to barge into Mark Webber and got the worse of it. He then collided with Lewis Hamilton's front wing.

good morning wtcbu

yeh i agree at spa 2010 vettel made a pigs ear of things when he hit a bump and lost it under braking , after that his car was far from perfect which resulted in his biff with VL -- his mistake in the first place with the contact with button -

i dug out silverstone 2010 and to be honest it was nobody"s fault just the usual first lap aggression that all the drivers show with webber , vettel , and hamilton doing nothing out of the ordinary , when hamilton actually caught vettels right rear tyre with his front wing endplate vettel was nowhere near webber -

just one of those things that happen on the first lap with everybody trying to gain places - on a different day his tyre would have not got nicked or lewis might have lost part of his wing or both drivers would have got away with it
------ could not find fault with any of the 3 drivers at the time --

I think you should look at your DVD again.

I am referring to Silverstone 2010. Are you sure that you have looked at the same race?

comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 14 minutes ago
I think you should look at your DVD again.

I am referring to Silverstone 2010. Are you sure that you have looked at the same race?
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yeh -- seriously it was the 2010 british gp i checked out , they had the on board camera on hamiltons car and the images are very clear -

webber was up the inside in the lead coming out of copse and was probably a few feet away from vettel with vettel about to go thru as well when hamilton caught his left rear tyre with his left front wing endplate which gave vettel the puncture -
------ i honestly could see nothing wrong with the driving of any of the 3 drivers and on a different day the little nick that caused the tyre to deflate probably would have survived such an innocuous scrape from the wing -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/14032339

http://www.streetfire.net/video/f1-british-grand-prix-race-2010chunk1avi_2074930.htm

"i honestly could see nothing wrong with the driving"

Vetel tried to put another driver into a wall.