Italian GP

comment by Ladmin We Win (U1250)
posted 18 hours, 10 minutes ago
How about racing 3 laps extra after safety car comes in?

Might give issues with petrol but you can account for that before the start. Make it mandatory to have fuel left for number of race laps + 3.
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Following a safety car for 3 laps will save a chunk of fuel. Teams could be forced to have an increased fuel load perhaps, or run out and dnf.

comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ladmin We Win (U1250)
posted 18 hours, 10 minutes ago
How about racing 3 laps extra after safety car comes in?

Might give issues with petrol but you can account for that before the start. Make it mandatory to have fuel left for number of race laps + 3.
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Following a safety car for 3 laps will save a chunk of fuel. Teams could be forced to have an increased fuel load perhaps, or run out and dnf.

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the rules state that they cars must all adhere to a very strict amount of fuel for efficiency reasons, this is the reason given for them all only being allowed a certain amount to finish the race and could be used to exploit slightly. there is no way however the teams all sign of on a 3 lap grid start shoot out ... no chance in hell.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 14 hours, 4 minutes ago
“ Is it great the race finished under safety car , of course it isn’t.”

And there it is…..so for me the issue isn’t fixed

The rules should be changed so that no team makes a decision based on what they think will happen regards the race ending under a safety car…ie taking a punt that it might and staying out for example

It makes for dull ends to races
The drivers don’t like it…the teams don’t like it….the fans don’t like it

The issue hasn’t been resolved…this has nothing to do with Abu Dhabi….its all to do with something that’s been spoken about within the sport for years, yet they insist on doing nothing to stop it from being a possibility

Same issues racers it’s ugly head again
After the chaos in Abu Dhabi, that was the prime time to put rules in place to avoid it ever happening again
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it is fixed, you just dont like the fix.

Race when we can , finish the race under greens unless its unsafe to do so.

It was unsafe to restart the race so they didnt.

taking a punt is somtimes a massive part of racing, the more opportunities you get rid of to create these the more of a boring precession you will have as a race. Race are at their best when they are unpredictable. Strategy is very much a part of grand prix races.

the rule is fine the way it is, it could be improved yeah i do believe that but it works when it is applied properly.

Not a single driver is in protest over what happened in Italy. they are happy the rules were followed the complaints are directed at not making the track safe enough , quick enough.

It doesnt make for dull ends to races thats nonsense.

it makes for dull ends to the races that end under a safety car. In almost 30 years of using safety cars there has been 10 races that have ended under safety car that has to be about 580-600 races and only 10 have ended this way so I dont subscribe to your theory that this rule makes for dull race ends. it has made for a dull end to races in about 2% of all races.

the issue has been resolved, you just dont like how they resolved it
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You can waffle on as long as you want mate

The majority of people within the sport, and fans looking on, don't want races to end like that....every single person interviewed after the race said it was "a shame" or was "unfortunate" that the race ended under the safety car

You seem to have it in your head that I don't understand what the rules are, and just want this change for some sort of dramatisation or a bit more excitement

The simple point is....many, many, many people within the sport don't like races ending like this, yet the FIA doesn't seem to want to listen to any of that, and is quite happy to continue on as is

They have fixed anything....as long as races end like this, people are still going to be unhappy

If it's only 10 races over the course of 30 years, a simple rule change to say a red flag instead of a safety car in the last 7 laps of a race or something......the number of times that rule would be used wouldn't be all that often, and it would prevent races ending in a manner that no-one....no-one wants...not even you mate

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 20 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 14 hours, 4 minutes ago
“ Is it great the race finished under safety car , of course it isn’t.”

And there it is…..so for me the issue isn’t fixed

The rules should be changed so that no team makes a decision based on what they think will happen regards the race ending under a safety car…ie taking a punt that it might and staying out for example

It makes for dull ends to races
The drivers don’t like it…the teams don’t like it….the fans don’t like it

The issue hasn’t been resolved…this has nothing to do with Abu Dhabi….its all to do with something that’s been spoken about within the sport for years, yet they insist on doing nothing to stop it from being a possibility

Same issues racers it’s ugly head again
After the chaos in Abu Dhabi, that was the prime time to put rules in place to avoid it ever happening again
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it is fixed, you just dont like the fix.

Race when we can , finish the race under greens unless its unsafe to do so.

It was unsafe to restart the race so they didnt.

taking a punt is somtimes a massive part of racing, the more opportunities you get rid of to create these the more of a boring precession you will have as a race. Race are at their best when they are unpredictable. Strategy is very much a part of grand prix races.

the rule is fine the way it is, it could be improved yeah i do believe that but it works when it is applied properly.

Not a single driver is in protest over what happened in Italy. they are happy the rules were followed the complaints are directed at not making the track safe enough , quick enough.

It doesnt make for dull ends to races thats nonsense.

it makes for dull ends to the races that end under a safety car. In almost 30 years of using safety cars there has been 10 races that have ended under safety car that has to be about 580-600 races and only 10 have ended this way so I dont subscribe to your theory that this rule makes for dull race ends. it has made for a dull end to races in about 2% of all races.

the issue has been resolved, you just dont like how they resolved it
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You can waffle on as long as you want mate

The majority of people within the sport, and fans looking on, don't want races to end like that....every single person interviewed after the race said it was "a shame" or was "unfortunate" that the race ended under the safety car

You seem to have it in your head that I don't understand what the rules are, and just want this change for some sort of dramatisation or a bit more excitement

The simple point is....many, many, many people within the sport don't like races ending like this, yet the FIA doesn't seem to want to listen to any of that, and is quite happy to continue on as is

They have fixed anything....as long as races end like this, people are still going to be unhappy

If it's only 10 races over the course of 30 years, a simple rule change to say a red flag instead of a safety car in the last 7 laps of a race or something......the number of times that rule would be used wouldn't be all that often, and it would prevent races ending in a manner that no-one....no-one wants...not even you mate
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the people dont decide, if they did we wouldnt have hybrid engines, we would have refuelling, we would have restarts every 10 laps. the fans dont know best.

The rules are based on safety reasons. Restarting the race for a last few laps is daft , dangerous and something the teams 100% do no want no matter how much the fans want action, common sense prevails. The FIA listen to those involved with the sport before they listen to those outwith. In this case they listen to the safety advisors and the teams, neither of which want a red flag at the end and a short shoot out grid restart regardless of how much the fans would live it and I completely agree with them here.

the rule is fine, green flags at all opportunities unless its not safe to do so. Your crying over something you think is ruining the sport that very rarely ever happens.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 day ago
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ladmin We Win (U1250)
posted 18 hours, 10 minutes ago
How about racing 3 laps extra after safety car comes in?

Might give issues with petrol but you can account for that before the start. Make it mandatory to have fuel left for number of race laps + 3.
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Following a safety car for 3 laps will save a chunk of fuel. Teams could be forced to have an increased fuel load perhaps, or run out and dnf.

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the rules state that they cars must all adhere to a very strict amount of fuel for efficiency reasons, this is the reason given for them all only being allowed a certain amount to finish the race and could be used to exploit slightly. there is no way however the teams all sign of on a 3 lap grid start shoot out ... no chance in hell.
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I am not talking about a restart for 3 laps, what I mean is that they need to drive an extra 3 laps after the SC comes in after the official number of laps have been completed. So not a restart, just continue the race as is for 3 laps after he SC has ended.

comment by Ladmin We Win (U1250)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 day ago
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ladmin We Win (U1250)
posted 18 hours, 10 minutes ago
How about racing 3 laps extra after safety car comes in?

Might give issues with petrol but you can account for that before the start. Make it mandatory to have fuel left for number of race laps + 3.
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Following a safety car for 3 laps will save a chunk of fuel. Teams could be forced to have an increased fuel load perhaps, or run out and dnf.

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the rules state that they cars must all adhere to a very strict amount of fuel for efficiency reasons, this is the reason given for them all only being allowed a certain amount to finish the race and could be used to exploit slightly. there is no way however the teams all sign of on a 3 lap grid start shoot out ... no chance in hell.
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I am not talking about a restart for 3 laps, what I mean is that they need to drive an extra 3 laps after the SC comes in after the official number of laps have been completed. So not a restart, just continue the race as is for 3 laps after he SC has ended.
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I dont think they can , they are contracted to run a restricted amount of fuel im pretty sure its some environmental agreement. I agree it would be better, but it seems not possible, they are trying to be as efficient as possible and Im sure there are contracts already in place to only use certain amounts of fuel in order to push fuel efficiency technology along.

Id rather scrap safety cars altogether, I think the same results can be achieved with a VSC without drivers being penalised and losing what thet built up prior to safety car.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Ladmin We Win (U1250)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 day ago
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ladmin We Win (U1250)
posted 18 hours, 10 minutes ago
How about racing 3 laps extra after safety car comes in?

Might give issues with petrol but you can account for that before the start. Make it mandatory to have fuel left for number of race laps + 3.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Following a safety car for 3 laps will save a chunk of fuel. Teams could be forced to have an increased fuel load perhaps, or run out and dnf.

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the rules state that they cars must all adhere to a very strict amount of fuel for efficiency reasons, this is the reason given for them all only being allowed a certain amount to finish the race and could be used to exploit slightly. there is no way however the teams all sign of on a 3 lap grid start shoot out ... no chance in hell.
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I am not talking about a restart for 3 laps, what I mean is that they need to drive an extra 3 laps after the SC comes in after the official number of laps have been completed. So not a restart, just continue the race as is for 3 laps after he SC has ended.
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I dont think they can , they are contracted to run a restricted amount of fuel im pretty sure its some environmental agreement. I agree it would be better, but it seems not possible, they are trying to be as efficient as possible and Im sure there are contracts already in place to only use certain amounts of fuel in order to push fuel efficiency technology along.

Id rather scrap safety cars altogether, I think the same results can be achieved with a VSC without drivers being penalised and losing what thet built up prior to safety car.
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Interesting. You could make the leader the SC . In case they need to go through the pit lane. And apply the same principle of the VSC in relation to the time gaps in place.

comment by Ladmin We Win (U1250)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Ladmin We Win (U1250)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 day ago
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ladmin We Win (U1250)
posted 18 hours, 10 minutes ago
How about racing 3 laps extra after safety car comes in?

Might give issues with petrol but you can account for that before the start. Make it mandatory to have fuel left for number of race laps + 3.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Following a safety car for 3 laps will save a chunk of fuel. Teams could be forced to have an increased fuel load perhaps, or run out and dnf.

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the rules state that they cars must all adhere to a very strict amount of fuel for efficiency reasons, this is the reason given for them all only being allowed a certain amount to finish the race and could be used to exploit slightly. there is no way however the teams all sign of on a 3 lap grid start shoot out ... no chance in hell.
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I am not talking about a restart for 3 laps, what I mean is that they need to drive an extra 3 laps after the SC comes in after the official number of laps have been completed. So not a restart, just continue the race as is for 3 laps after he SC has ended.
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I dont think they can , they are contracted to run a restricted amount of fuel im pretty sure its some environmental agreement. I agree it would be better, but it seems not possible, they are trying to be as efficient as possible and Im sure there are contracts already in place to only use certain amounts of fuel in order to push fuel efficiency technology along.

Id rather scrap safety cars altogether, I think the same results can be achieved with a VSC without drivers being penalised and losing what thet built up prior to safety car.
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Interesting. You could make the leader the SC . In case they need to go through the pit lane. And apply the same principle of the VSC in relation to the time gaps in place.
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or have different levels of VSC dependent on the nature of the incident and safety level concerns say like a red, amber, green levels of VSC. just spitballing, i get the drama created by safety cars and it making it more spectator friendly but in the interest of racing i aint really a fan of safety cars and as technology progresses the need for them becomes less and less IMO.

Bottom line there's loads of better options. Hopefully FIA take notice

comment by Ladmin We Win (U1250)
posted 11 minutes ago
Bottom line there's loads of better options. Hopefully FIA take notice
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the problem is that every decision like this can lead to millions of pounds worth of repercussions therefore its very difficult to put rules in black and white for situations that can be massively varied. Obviously it can be better, but as long as the teams sign off on the rules then what can you do?

There is loads of things id love to change about the sport, Id love to make it more about wheel to wheel racing, less about the cars performance and more about the drivers. They simply need to offer durable and far less reactive or fragile tyres. Lessen their grip , hugely and I mean massively open up their tolerance levels to heat fluctuations would make bigger differences to racing than tweaking the downforce. Whether driving in clean air or dirty air drivers can only push the car and tyres properly for a few laps at most before they risk wrecking them completely or hugely reducing the lifespan. Who wants that? We all want drivers able to push for the vast majority of the race rather than driving at 100% for at most 20% of the race and then at 90% of the limit. It would also bridge the gap between the teams. Even on hards you can push and I mean flat out to the limits for about 5/6 max, push anymore than that and you can even wreck a set of hards for the rest of its session.

Make the cars smaller!!! they are getting far too big to heavy to wide, too long. Half the tracks they drive on were not designed for cars that size