His tactics and in game management are shocking.
Doesn't play Eddie for 3 months and then he starts. Keeps going back and fourth with certain players.
Plays saka every minute eventhough he has been dreadful.
Yes Havertz has scored a few but today highlighted once again the drop of between him and Xhaka. The gap is too big and was always going to cost us eventually.
Arteta is not an attacking coach and this is reflected through his signings over the years.
Many millions spent on the back line and a real reluctance to strengthen our attack.
Also, what are the tactics when in attack? I have seen no variations in play. It's the same rubbish over and over again. When we go a goal behind we continue with hopeful balls into our midget attackers or the repetitive ball into saka and Odegaard.
Arteta has no chance v Klopp or Pep.
Tactically Arteta isn't the guy
posted on 31/12/23
comment by 50 No longer trusting the process (U1147)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
Putting the cones out in the same place Pep did only gets you so far.
Never been convinced on Arteta and he's actually done a lot better than I thought he would do. I don't think he's
ever going to go win you the league though.
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Can’t argue against it. I’ve never warmed to Arteta as a manager on a personal level, for reasons similar to rival fans funnily enough. Way too much tinkering in places where it wasn’t needed (keeper), poor recruitment this summer (no striker, Havertz)
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He's a solid manager and will have you in and around the top 4 most seasons now. The issue is how long are you going to be happy with that?
Maybe if Pep n Klopp both left in same summer he could win one but I wouldn't be shocked if whoever City or Liverpool got in to replace them was better than him as well.
posted on 31/12/23
I'm amazed how fickle our fans are. A few weeks ago, we were happy. We are only 5 points off top. What if Liverpool slip up tomorrow? This season, no one is showing consistency. Reminds me when Leicester won it. I agree however, that Arteta has to sign reinforcements in Jan, and above all, get rid of Raya. Ramsdale has to be played from now on in. I can see us being 2nd at end of Jan and we build from there. I just think we've had our implosion this week.
posted on 31/12/23
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 31 minutes ago
Arsenal have overachieved under Arteta.
It all comes down to a simple test. Take each of our players and ask yourself how many would be able to command a place at clubs like City and Liverpool.
Two? Three? Maybe four, if you're being kind.
Arteta has taken a bunch of overwhelmingly one-dimensional players and somehow built a competitive unit.
Imagine still being 2 points off title-chasing pace in January with Nketiah and Jesus as your star forwards. I'd like to see Klopp or Guardiola do that.
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I dont think these players are one dimensional at all. Look at last season or even the season before. Ramsdale, White, Saliba, Gabriel, Partey, Tierney, Rice, Saka, Martinelli, Jesus, ESR, Odegaard, Tomiyasu....these are all VERY good players and they have shown over a season plus that they can be consistent at a high level. Give these players to Pep or Klopp and he wins the league. Or at least runs Man City within 4pts.
posted on 31/12/23
I think the goalkeeping situation underlines Arteta's strange way of thinking as it was a situation brought on needlessly in my opinion and was utterly bizarre and can't have helped team unity in the dressing room.
I too was thinking this season is yours but Man City and Liverpool look like finishing above you as for one they have more prolific goal scorers so unless you sign a striker that will be more lethal which are few and far between, maybe Toney, you look like coming 3rd.
posted on 31/12/23
Arsenal have overachieved under Arteta.
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Yep, it’s been impressive to have Arsenal get the results that they have the last two seasons with the squad they have. They have some fantastic players, that have developed a lot under him, but it’s not a title winning group of players.
posted on 31/12/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Arsenal have overachieved under Arteta.
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Yep, it’s been impressive to have Arsenal get the results that they have the last two seasons with the squad they have. They have some fantastic players, that have developed a lot under him, but it’s not a title winning group of players.
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But whose fault is this then? Ramsdale, Raya, White, Gabriel, Zinchenko, Partey, Rice, Odegaard, Havertz, Jorginho, Jesus, Kiwior, Tomiyasu, Timber, Jorginho, Vieira, Trossard...ALL bought by Arteta.
Saliba, Martinelli, ESR, Nketiah, Saka, Elneny, Nelson....ALL have had contract renewals or a refusal to sell or release by Arteta.
We have spent a LOT...ALL this squad is approved and built by Arteta. He knows the targets Arsenal have set especially 4 years in the job and if you think this squad is nor ready or capable to win the league, it's on ARTETA.
I think this squad CAN win the league...but ironically not under Arteta.
posted on 31/12/23
Then that’s an issue of squad building, rather than what is being achieved with the squad. But whilst you have spent a lot, you also have to consider the starting point from which you had to build this squad and what level of quality is needed to compete with a behemoth like City. You need to spend a ridiculous amount and be almost perfect with your signings, because that is just how good they are.
You can think that if you like, but I doubt many outside of North London think that. It’s a good but not grate group of players, but you need grate players to win the league. Most of those players don’t even start for their national team.
posted on 31/12/23
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Arsenal have overachieved under Arteta.
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Yep, it’s been impressive to have Arsenal get the results that they have the last two seasons with the squad they have. They have some fantastic players, that have developed a lot under him, but it’s not a title winning group of players.
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But whose fault is this then? Ramsdale, Raya, White, Gabriel, Zinchenko, Partey, Rice, Odegaard, Havertz, Jorginho, Jesus, Kiwior, Tomiyasu, Timber, Jorginho, Vieira, Trossard...ALL bought by Arteta.
Saliba, Martinelli, ESR, Nketiah, Saka, Elneny, Nelson....ALL have had contract renewals or a refusal to sell or release by Arteta.
We have spent a LOT...ALL this squad is approved and built by Arteta. He knows the targets Arsenal have set especially 4 years in the job and if you think this squad is nor ready or capable to win the league, it's on ARTETA.
I think this squad CAN win the league...but ironically not under Arteta.
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Fair enough. There's always going to be better managers out there. With far much more talent and experience than a fella who's career is less than 5 years old.
Arteta has built a squad in his own image. He took the job and hit the ground running with a defensive mindset. And we have ended all our seasons among the top 5 defensive sides in the league. George Graham Mk 2.
Which leads to our most important priority at the moment. Consistent Champions League qualification.
Everything else can wait, as far as I'm concerned.
posted on 31/12/23
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Arsenal have overachieved under Arteta.
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Yep, it’s been impressive to have Arsenal get the results that they have the last two seasons with the squad they have. They have some fantastic players, that have developed a lot under him, but it’s not a title winning group of players.
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But whose fault is this then? Ramsdale, Raya, White, Gabriel, Zinchenko, Partey, Rice, Odegaard, Havertz, Jorginho, Jesus, Kiwior, Tomiyasu, Timber, Jorginho, Vieira, Trossard...ALL bought by Arteta.
Saliba, Martinelli, ESR, Nketiah, Saka, Elneny, Nelson....ALL have had contract renewals or a refusal to sell or release by Arteta.
We have spent a LOT...ALL this squad is approved and built by Arteta. He knows the targets Arsenal have set especially 4 years in the job and if you think this squad is nor ready or capable to win the league, it's on ARTETA.
I think this squad CAN win the league...but ironically not under Arteta.
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Fair enough. There's always going to be better managers out there. With far much more talent and experience than a fella who's career is less than 5 years old.
Arteta has built a squad in his own image. He took the job and hit the ground running with a defensive mindset. And we have ended all our seasons among the top 5 defensive sides in the league. George Graham Mk 2.
Which leads to our most important priority at the moment. Consistent Champions League qualification.
Everything else can wait, as far as I'm concerned.
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You are right. We have signed what, 3 players who can PLAY as strikers but aren't really (Jesus, Trossard and Havertz). It's shocking if we look at it that way...can't win trophies consistently without someone who knows how to score. But we have bought numerous defensive players. So boring now and I fear that last season was not the norm and never will be.
posted on 1/1/24
Saka and Arteta are both highly overrated!
Rice has pretty much been carrying this team all season!