Celtic agree CA compensation

Oh dear. And so it begins.

The actual awards will likely be “paltry” in most peoples eyes as the recognised legal formulae don’t make room for “multi million pounds” of compensation for victims.

Also as Silver has rightly pointed out, the legal fees will likely surpass the totality of the award and these indeed may well come out of the actual compensation awarded as it was heading towards a class action. The PO scandal demonstrates exactly that.

The scale of awards are ridiculously low in my eyes but there has to be guidelines I suppose.

What I don’t get is why so many seem to think that a sum of money dropping into their bank accounts will somehow give them peace or a sense of justice. It’s a bizarre thought.

I can only imagine that these victims are scarred for life and no amount of money or therapy will ever change that. It’s so sad and awful in so many ways and I am certain can possibly have no way of understanding their thoughts and nightmares.

For Celtic it’s way too long a time to have tried to pass this off as a separate entity and that is in my eyes a disgraceful stain on the club. Maybe time and the manner in which we now deal with this will make up some ground. We’ll see.

What I’d prefer to see is some ongoing help to get these individuals into a state of mind and wellbeing that they can try and lead as normal a life as is possible. Sadly, that won’t happen.

What I don’t get is why so many seem to think that a sum of money dropping into their bank accounts will somehow give them peace or a sense of justice. It’s a bizarre thought.
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It’s an admission of guilt. Or at least an admission of complicity, isn’t it? A tacit one, true, but probably more than they’ve had up until now.

In truth I don’t know as I’m not in that situation. Maybe if something abhorrent has happened to you anyway, getting something - no matter how inadequate - out of it is better than getting nothing. I’m in no way equating the two as my life hasn’t been much affected but this but I have - as I’m sure a good number of us on here have - been assaulted before, and more than once. Physically, I mean, rather than secksually. I’d take any money going for it but I’m not sure that would really make me feel any differently about it.

What is interesting, and worrying, is talking to women and realizing what a ridiculous percentage of them have been assaulted in both ways. I was a teen in the early nineties. I remember being upstairs with lassies at empties and trying to put my hand up their jumpers without their explicit consent. That’d get you the jail nowadays, and rightly so.

I remember once talking to my ex about this once and how teenaged boys were just wee perverts. She said the most hassle young girls get growing up is from adult men rather than boys their own age.

Makes you think. If nothing else though, the new young team seem to be a bit more tuned-in to what’s okay and what isn’t. Fingers crossed for the future.

What I’d prefer to see is some ongoing help to get these individuals into a state of mind and wellbeing that they can try and lead as normal a life as is possible. Sadly, that won’t happen.
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Oh. And agreed on both counts. I’d like this to be more proactive. Someone has said - spr? - Celtic now have all the robust checks in place to ensure, as much as is possible, that this kind of thing doesn’t happen again. But we should be doing more than ‘just enough’. Whatever form that takes.

comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 15 seconds ago
What I don’t get is why so many seem to think that a sum of money dropping into their bank accounts will somehow give them peace or a sense of justice. It’s a bizarre thought.
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It’s an admission of guilt. Or at least an admission of complicity, isn’t it? A tacit one, true, but probably more than they’ve had up until now.

In truth I don’t know as I’m not in that situation. Maybe if something abhorrent has happened to you anyway, getting something - no matter how inadequate - out of it is better than getting nothing. I’m in no way equating the two as my life hasn’t been much affected but this but I have - as I’m sure a good number of us on here have - been assaulted before, and more than once. Physically, I mean, rather than secksually. I’d take any money going for it but I’m not sure that would really make me feel any differently about it.

What is interesting, and worrying, is talking to women and realizing what a ridiculous percentage of them have been assaulted in both ways. I was a teen in the early nineties. I remember being upstairs with lassies at empties and trying to put my hand up their jumpers without their explicit consent. That’d get you the jail nowadays, and rightly so.

I remember once talking to my ex about this once and how teenaged boys were just wee perverts. She said the most hassle young girls get growing up is from adult men rather than boys their own age.

Makes you think. If nothing else though, the new young team seem to be a bit more tuned-in to what’s okay and what isn’t. Fingers crossed for the future.
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I get all that. My point being is that regardless of any monetary compensation, it will unlikely give them any “peace” or help them get over what happened.

Only long term therapy could help with that, And that’s what I’d like to see

I get all that. My point being is that regardless of any monetary compensation, it will unlikely give them any “peace” or help them get over what happened
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Yeah, I’m not disagreeing. Just speculating, as I’m not in that position, but for the grace of someone or other.

I’d agree about the emotional and psychological support angle but as you say, it’s sadly unlikely.

Yeah I don't think its the money that will give anyone peace or help them put it behind them.

But as Pointy says its an admission of responsibility. An admission that their fight for justice has gone somewhere and can come to a conclusion.

I don't think they will ever be at true peace but they can then at least say they pursued their case and it was upheld and that they were right to make someone accountable. I don't think the money will ever be a substitute but its a form of closure and responsibility at least - the victims here have been pursuing this for years and been fobbed off until now.

comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
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comment by Silver (U6112)
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comment by Call Sign (U3627)
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There is no one at Celtic that were at the club when it all happened
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Unfortunately, that isn't true. There is one senior member of the academy staff who absolutely came from the BC. It is public domain if you look hard enough albeit on vigilante sites with a rivalry grudge but his CV waas well known within the academy. He was and is a complete shambles and I had no idea what he ever brought to an otherwise pretty professional setup.

Over and above there is one prominent name that I am pretty sure is still employed doing something - probably scouting and two coaches in the complicated 'club youth hierarchy' at the BC time that were working when junior was coming through. Names you might know. Then there are the other staff that may have been around the club I have no idea of in admin posts, non-playing side. I would not be surprised to learn there was 5-15 - certainly when it became in the wide public domain.
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Surprised by that. Not that there wouldn't be admin staff but people in the youth coaching set up certainly. Equally if they weren't guilty of wrongdoing then why shouldn't they. I would say however that these days if you have significant reason to believe there is an issue but do not report it, that in itself is an issue. Possibly not retrospectively applied though as there likely wasn't a culture where you could report that without fear of repercussions.

I do know that Celtic have all the safeguarding protocols and policies that should be in place and are quite rigorous on it based on conversations with people involved.
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The senior academy person I mentioned was a school teacher with, I guess, more opportunities in that environment that CBC and had a career until he retired from that and went FT with Celtic so absolutely no inference he was in any way involved.

I can vouch for the safeguarding procedures and training. Totally comprehensive and a team led by a retired copper - and maybe also his assistant was too - can't recall now.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Oh dear. And so it begins.

The actual awards will likely be “paltry” in most peoples eyes as the recognised legal formulae don’t make room for “multi million pounds” of compensation for victims.

Also as Silver has rightly pointed out, the legal fees will likely surpass the totality of the award and these indeed may well come out of the actual compensation awarded as it was heading towards a class action. The PO scandal demonstrates exactly that.
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Celtic and the lawyers will know the probable calculation - a bit more complex in Scotland iirc. Despite being paltry, a premium may be paid to 'buy' the NDAs and no guilt admission. That may 'just' be the legal fees covered, however? Their lawyer almost certainly advising the out of court settlement so they can claim a moral victory and avoid the complex association between the two entities which tbh could go either way.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Oh dear. And so it begins.

The actual awards will likely be “paltry” in most peoples eyes as the recognised legal formulae don’t make room for “multi million pounds” of compensation for victims.

Also as Silver has rightly pointed out, the legal fees will likely surpass the totality of the award and these indeed may well come out of the actual compensation awarded as it was heading towards a class action. The PO scandal demonstrates exactly that.
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Celtic and the lawyers will know the probable calculation - a bit more complex in Scotland iirc. Despite being paltry, a premium may be paid to 'buy' the NDAs and no guilt admission. That may 'just' be the legal fees covered, however? Their lawyer almost certainly advising the out of court settlement so they can claim a moral victory and avoid the complex association between the two entities which tbh could go either way.
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Undoubtedly. And if insurance is involved (I doubt it as it was so long ago since the offences and I’d think that during all that time we would have changed insurers multiple times over the period); none of them would accept ‘previous’ occurrences.

What will be likely is that the club have been well prepared and provided for this as they witnessed their stance being eroded over the last couple of years. It’s what pic’s do and are legally required to do.