Arsene Wenger
Jose Mourinho
Sir Fergie
Carlo Ancellotti
Antonio Conte
and many more.

Top class managers with tons of trophies between them rating Ozil as one of the best number 10s in the game.

But Samir and his Bayern gammons think otherwise for sainke sake

comment by Samir (U2630)
posted about a minute ago
IAWT, that article is almost 2 years old though. And even then, the conclusion of the article is:

"In terms of consistency, Eriksen has quite simply been better than Ozil and he has been a bigger threat in the final third, scoring more goals and registering more assists than the Arsenal man."
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What the article doesn't mention though is that until last year, Eriksen had to feed Kane and Alli whereas Ozil had to feed Giroud and Iwobi.
Was it not in 2015/16 that Ozil was on course of breaking the PL record of assist by February...until Giroud decided to stop scoring?

The one annoying thing with Ozil is that he doesn't want to do any defending at all. If you can build a team without the need for him to track back, then you'll get the best out of him and this is why he shined at Madrid.
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But the problem is we do need him to defend and we do need him to track back, but he isn't doing it properly/enough. He isn't playing with those world-class Madrid players who could do all the donkey work allowing him to thrive and playing with the likes of Ronaldo. The Prem is a different league now and he's playing in a team that isn't as good. We need him to contribute more than he currently is and he hasn't risen to the task when questioned.

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comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 4 minutes ago
IAWT, that article is almost 2 years old though. And even then, the conclusion of the article is:

"In terms of consistency, Eriksen has quite simply been better than Ozil and he has been a bigger threat in the final third, scoring more goals and registering more assists than the Arsenal man."
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Özil is much better in the role of a playmaker. It's not even close.

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IAWT,

Alli was plucked from League One and Poch has developed him into the player he is today. Kane's career was going nowhere, he had a terrible time on loan at Norwich and looked set to be a journeyman. Again, Poch took a chance on him, allowed him to play more regularly and he's not looked back since.

You say that Eriksen had better players to supply, but a big part of that is because of Pochettino's coaching.

The likes of Giroud and Iwobi were coached by a Banter Era Arsene Wenger.

comment by 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 Emery OUT 🇫🇷 🇫🇷🇫🇷 (U10012)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted about a minute ago
IAWT, that article is almost 2 years old though. And even then, the conclusion of the article is:

"In terms of consistency, Eriksen has quite simply been better than Ozil and he has been a bigger threat in the final third, scoring more goals and registering more assists than the Arsenal man."
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What the article doesn't mention though is that until last year, Eriksen had to feed Kane and Alli whereas Ozil had to feed Giroud and Iwobi.
Was it not in 2015/16 that Ozil was on course of breaking the PL record of assist by February...until Giroud decided to stop scoring?
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Dont understand this comment in terms of the comparison of Eriksen and Özil?

comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 2 minutes ago
The one annoying thing with Ozil is that he doesn't want to do any defending at all. If you can build a team without the need for him to track back, then you'll get the best out of him and this is why he shined at Madrid.
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But the problem is we do need him to defend and we do need him to track back, but he isn't doing it properly/enough. He isn't playing with those world-class Madrid players who could do all the donkey work allowing him to thrive and playing with the likes of Ronaldo. The Prem is a different league now and he's playing in a team that isn't as good. We need him to contribute more than he currently is and he hasn't risen to the task when questioned.
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How many creative midfield track back in the league? I want name.
Even the trio of Liverpool hardly track back. They press but don't track back.

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 Emery OUT 🇫🇷 🇫🇷🇫🇷 (U10012)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted about a minute ago
IAWT, that article is almost 2 years old though. And even then, the conclusion of the article is:

"In terms of consistency, Eriksen has quite simply been better than Ozil and he has been a bigger threat in the final third, scoring more goals and registering more assists than the Arsenal man."
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What the article doesn't mention though is that until last year, Eriksen had to feed Kane and Alli whereas Ozil had to feed Giroud and Iwobi.
Was it not in 2015/16 that Ozil was on course of breaking the PL record of assist by February...until Giroud decided to stop scoring?
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Dont understand this comment in terms of the comparison of Eriksen and Özil?
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Of course you don't.

comment by 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 Emery OUT 🇫🇷 🇫🇷🇫🇷 (U10012)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 Emery OUT 🇫🇷 🇫🇷🇫🇷 (U10012)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted about a minute ago
IAWT, that article is almost 2 years old though. And even then, the conclusion of the article is:

"In terms of consistency, Eriksen has quite simply been better than Ozil and he has been a bigger threat in the final third, scoring more goals and registering more assists than the Arsenal man."
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What the article doesn't mention though is that until last year, Eriksen had to feed Kane and Alli whereas Ozil had to feed Giroud and Iwobi.
Was it not in 2015/16 that Ozil was on course of breaking the PL record of assist by February...until Giroud decided to stop scoring?
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Dont understand this comment in terms of the comparison of Eriksen and Özil?
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Of course you don't.
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okay. Thanks.

But the problem is we do need him to defend and we do need him to track back
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No and No we don't. Who told you we need him to track back btw?

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Love GT. Ozil vs Eriksen debate is on and GT gets annoyed at a comment having a pop at Giroud

comment by Arsenal FC - 2018/19 Europa League Champions (U3245)
posted less than a minute ago
GIROUD IS SH!T
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And what has it to do with the Özil-Eriksen comparison?

With a back 3 and a CM pairing of Torreira and Xhaka, Ozil shouldn't have to track back.
Make him being the first point of pressure, that is fine. But surely the people behind him should be able to do the defending.

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comment by Serial WUManiser™© - In Unai We Trust (U1410)
posted less than a minute ago
Love GT. Ozil vs Eriksen debate is on and GT gets annoyed at a comment having a pop at Giroud
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I am not annoyed. I accept that you all thinking Giroud is shiiiit. That's okay. I dont critice that.

I dont understand what it has to do with Özil contribution.

IAWT,

I'm pretty sure that whenever I've seen Liverpool lose possession, their players do get back and defend in numbers. Including their midfielders and wingers.

But it's a non-sequitur.

The demands of each manager for their players/team will naturally be different.

If Emery wants him to be working harder/pressing more, then Ozil has to try and fulfil that demand. If he can't do that or isn't willing to do that, then he has to accept being a bit-part player or will have to leave the club.

comment by Serial WUManiser™© - In Unai We Trust (U1410)
posted 3 minutes ago
But the problem is we do need him to defend and we do need him to track back
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No and No we don't. Who told you we need him to track back btw?
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comment by Serial WUManiser™© - In Unai We Tru... (U1410)
posted 2 minutes ago
But the problem is we do need him to defend and we do need him to track back
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No and No we don't. Who told you we need him to track back btw?
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It's pretty evident that Emery wants him to.

comment by Samir (U2630)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Serial WUManiser™© - In Unai We Tru... (U1410)
posted 2 minutes ago
But the problem is we do need him to defend and we do need him to track back
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No and No we don't. Who told you we need him to track back btw?
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It's pretty evident that Emery wants him to.
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It really isn't, or else you'd provided me with a quote by now.

Serial,

We don't need quotes, just look at how Ozil's been treated and look at the responses Emery's given to the press whenever they've asked why he's not been included in the match day squad.

Then there are reports which are saying that Ozil isn't fulfilling the demands of the manager. They could be pure conjecture, who knows, but based on the actions of the player and the manager, it seems likely that it's true.

Emery wants to pay a certain way. He can't because he's hamstrung by injuries and quality at his disposal. Thus he's forced to play 3 at the back. There's no room for Ozil in a formation with three central defenders. Therefore he's not been selected. Plus he's still coming back from a back injury.

I really don't get how/why you'd infer that Ozil, an attacking playmaker, needs to track back.