comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 46 minutes ago
Grealish is a good comparison to how Havertz is finding hard to adjust. He cost £100m and almost did not start in his first season at City. But he adjusted and was very important last season. I think that's the best we can hope for at this point.
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Strange comparison. Grealish was very good for Villa before coming to City. Don't get me wrong, he has been a flop for City based on his price tag.
Havertz has been sh!t at chesela for 3 years and we still spent 65M on him.
Scandelous business by Edu and whoever else was involved in the deal
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Also, in those 3 years at Chelsea, I don't think anyone in the arsenal fans base was envious of that Chelsea signing and wishing we would have him as a perfect "upgrade" to Xhaka
It's not a strange comparison at all. Arteta wasn't buying Havertz as a striker. So what he did at Chelsea in that position is pretty irrelevant.
And what do you mean Edu? Arteta is given a list of players on the market. Arteta then works on persuading the player to join on the football side and Edu on the financial side.
So whatever Arteta saw in Havertz is totally down to him.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's not a strange comparison at all. Arteta wasn't buying Havertz as a striker. So what he did at Chelsea in that position is pretty irrelevant.
And what do you mean Edu? Arteta is given a list of players on the market. Arteta then works on persuading the player to join on the football side and Edu on the financial side.
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So are we all meant to rewrite history and pretend Havertz at Chelsea never happened?
As a Chelsea fan I'm still baffled why you bought Havertz. Not wumming but also grateful as I desperately wanted him off the books. We tried him in many different positions from number 8, winger, number 10 to striker and he wasn't good in any of them.
My opinion on him after watching him every week for three years is that the PL is just a yard too quick for him. He'd probably do alright back in the Bundesliga.
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's not a strange comparison at all. Arteta wasn't buying Havertz as a striker. So what he did at Chelsea in that position is pretty irrelevant.
And what do you mean Edu? Arteta is given a list of players on the market. Arteta then works on persuading the player to join on the football side and Edu on the financial side.
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So are we all meant to rewrite history and pretend Havertz at Chelsea never happened?
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No. But Arteta signed him to play in midfield and that's what you have to judge him by. I explained in the summer what I believe the logic was. But also said it was a lot based in theory, and it would require a lot of hard work by Arteta/coaches to make it work. Obviously they haven't so far. Will it come good? God knows!
Every club has its share of players that look like duff buys in their first season and eventually improve. Chelsea spent £75.8m on Havertz because of what he showed as a midfield player. So that's the player Arteta thought he was buying.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's not a strange comparison at all. Arteta wasn't buying Havertz as a striker. So what he did at Chelsea in that position is pretty irrelevant.
And what do you mean Edu? Arteta is given a list of players on the market. Arteta then works on persuading the player to join on the football side and Edu on the financial side.
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So are we all meant to rewrite history and pretend Havertz at Chelsea never happened?
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No. But Arteta signed him to play in midfield and that's what you have to judge him by. I explained in the summer what I believe the logic was. But also said it was a lot based in theory, and it would require a lot of hard work by Arteta/coaches to make it work. Obviously they haven't so far. Will it come good? God knows!
Every club has its share of players that look like duff buys in their first season and eventually improve. Chelsea spent £75.8m on Havertz because of what he showed as a midfield player. So that's the player Arteta thought he was buying.
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I remember a number of Arsenal signings I had misgivings about in their first year, but pretty much all of them had redeeming qualities. Always Ozil was far too lightweight for the PL, but I always thought if you could get a grip of midfield, Ozil's awareness and passing and clever movement to find pockets of space could help you probe and unbalance and open up defenses. Havertz has no redeeming qualities whatsoever that I can see. He's not especially terrible at anything. Just happens that he's not especially good at anything. Its just a facking reetarded signing given the opportunity cost of spuunking £65m on such a signing,
The thing that folks like Jenius keep missing isn't that we're being impatient with a new signing who might come good. This might hold true if we spent big money on some French or Brazilian import from a foreign league. The frustrations of people with Havertz is that the world and his dog KNEW what we were buying - except Arteta it seems. I can't imagine how gleeful Chelsea must be. Imagine spending so much money on a player who has had a very underwhelming 3 years, and one of your biggest rivals comes knocking with £65m to get him off your hands. There must have been a hell of a lot of laughter in the room after that deal was made. One of the dumbest flop signings I can ever remember.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's not a strange comparison at all. Arteta wasn't buying Havertz as a striker. So what he did at Chelsea in that position is pretty irrelevant.
And what do you mean Edu? Arteta is given a list of players on the market. Arteta then works on persuading the player to join on the football side and Edu on the financial side.
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So are we all meant to rewrite history and pretend Havertz at Chelsea never happened?
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No. But Arteta signed him to play in midfield and that's what you have to judge him by. I explained in the summer what I believe the logic was. But also said it was a lot based in theory, and it would require a lot of hard work by Arteta/coaches to make it work. Obviously they haven't so far. Will it come good? God knows!
Every club has its share of players that look like duff buys in their first season and eventually improve. Chelsea spent £75.8m on Havertz because of what he showed as a midfield player. So that's the player Arteta thought he was buying.
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As the Chelsea fan just stated, he was tried in various positions at Chelsea and flopped in all of them.
They have seen this guy play for them for 3 season and I have not met one Chelsea fan that is gutted that we signed him.
He has played nearly 20 games for Arsenal. Your ignoring one important piece of information which is that he goes hiding in games, which is inexsuable in itself.
I am not giving up on Havertz so quickly. But obviously he has to improve or Arteta will need to buy in the Jan window to maintain a title/CL challenge.
Whats making me a bit irate is that ESR is injured again, and I believed he would be able to establish himself as our second no.8 with a year or two of development. I wanted Paqueta the summer before last, but didn't think West Ham would sell us both Rice and Paqueta last summer. I wish we had tried harder for Gundogan to be the perfect bridge last summer.
So now Arteta is playing two deep midfield players again. That's why I think the link to Douglas Luiz has some legs. He has added goals to his ability to press, which sort of fits our no.8 philosophy. We have tried for him in the past, so I hope his agent was wise enough to put in a CL club clause when he signed his new contract.
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 4 minutes ago
He has played nearly 20 games for Arsenal. Your ignoring one important piece of information which is that he goes hiding in games, which is inexsuable in itself.
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Nah. I don't agree that Havertz hides. Or he wouldn't be missing so many chances. Wish he did shoot more.
Vieira is the one who hides!
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 8 minutes ago
I am not giving up on Havertz so quickly. But obviously he has to improve or Arteta will need to buy in the Jan window to maintain a title/CL challenge.
Whats making me a bit irate is that ESR is injured again, and I believed he would be able to establish himself as our second no.8 with a year or two of development. I wanted Paqueta the summer before last, but didn't think West Ham would sell us both Rice and Paqueta last summer. I wish we had tried harder for Gundogan to be the perfect bridge last summer.
So now Arteta is playing two deep midfield players again. That's why I think the link to Douglas Luiz has some legs. He has added goals to his ability to press, which sort of fits our no.8 philosophy. We have tried for him in the past, so I hope his agent was wise enough to put in a CL club clause when he signed his new contract.
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We all want Havertz to work but I'm pretty sure he will be in the Bundesliga next summer on loan
He want be in the Bundesliga next summer. There is abslute no interest in him and they cant pay his wages either.
Is J99 STILL twerking for Shatvertz??? Wow 😂
How am I twerking for Havertz? Do you even read the comments anymore?
So you agree he has been a terrible signing?
Obviously because so far he has done nothing.
Paqi with a beaut from an embarrassing error
Moyes trying to play like Arteta. Student masters the teacher.
https://dubz.co/c/4442e9
Look at this fine goal.
Going forward Brentford look dangerous.
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posted on 12/11/23
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 46 minutes ago
Grealish is a good comparison to how Havertz is finding hard to adjust. He cost £100m and almost did not start in his first season at City. But he adjusted and was very important last season. I think that's the best we can hope for at this point.
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Strange comparison. Grealish was very good for Villa before coming to City. Don't get me wrong, he has been a flop for City based on his price tag.
Havertz has been sh!t at chesela for 3 years and we still spent 65M on him.
Scandelous business by Edu and whoever else was involved in the deal
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Also, in those 3 years at Chelsea, I don't think anyone in the arsenal fans base was envious of that Chelsea signing and wishing we would have him as a perfect "upgrade" to Xhaka
posted on 12/11/23
It's not a strange comparison at all. Arteta wasn't buying Havertz as a striker. So what he did at Chelsea in that position is pretty irrelevant.
And what do you mean Edu? Arteta is given a list of players on the market. Arteta then works on persuading the player to join on the football side and Edu on the financial side.
posted on 12/11/23
So whatever Arteta saw in Havertz is totally down to him.
posted on 12/11/23
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's not a strange comparison at all. Arteta wasn't buying Havertz as a striker. So what he did at Chelsea in that position is pretty irrelevant.
And what do you mean Edu? Arteta is given a list of players on the market. Arteta then works on persuading the player to join on the football side and Edu on the financial side.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So are we all meant to rewrite history and pretend Havertz at Chelsea never happened?
posted on 12/11/23
As a Chelsea fan I'm still baffled why you bought Havertz. Not wumming but also grateful as I desperately wanted him off the books. We tried him in many different positions from number 8, winger, number 10 to striker and he wasn't good in any of them.
My opinion on him after watching him every week for three years is that the PL is just a yard too quick for him. He'd probably do alright back in the Bundesliga.
posted on 12/11/23
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's not a strange comparison at all. Arteta wasn't buying Havertz as a striker. So what he did at Chelsea in that position is pretty irrelevant.
And what do you mean Edu? Arteta is given a list of players on the market. Arteta then works on persuading the player to join on the football side and Edu on the financial side.
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So are we all meant to rewrite history and pretend Havertz at Chelsea never happened?
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No. But Arteta signed him to play in midfield and that's what you have to judge him by. I explained in the summer what I believe the logic was. But also said it was a lot based in theory, and it would require a lot of hard work by Arteta/coaches to make it work. Obviously they haven't so far. Will it come good? God knows!
Every club has its share of players that look like duff buys in their first season and eventually improve. Chelsea spent £75.8m on Havertz because of what he showed as a midfield player. So that's the player Arteta thought he was buying.
posted on 12/11/23
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's not a strange comparison at all. Arteta wasn't buying Havertz as a striker. So what he did at Chelsea in that position is pretty irrelevant.
And what do you mean Edu? Arteta is given a list of players on the market. Arteta then works on persuading the player to join on the football side and Edu on the financial side.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So are we all meant to rewrite history and pretend Havertz at Chelsea never happened?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. But Arteta signed him to play in midfield and that's what you have to judge him by. I explained in the summer what I believe the logic was. But also said it was a lot based in theory, and it would require a lot of hard work by Arteta/coaches to make it work. Obviously they haven't so far. Will it come good? God knows!
Every club has its share of players that look like duff buys in their first season and eventually improve. Chelsea spent £75.8m on Havertz because of what he showed as a midfield player. So that's the player Arteta thought he was buying.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember a number of Arsenal signings I had misgivings about in their first year, but pretty much all of them had redeeming qualities. Always Ozil was far too lightweight for the PL, but I always thought if you could get a grip of midfield, Ozil's awareness and passing and clever movement to find pockets of space could help you probe and unbalance and open up defenses. Havertz has no redeeming qualities whatsoever that I can see. He's not especially terrible at anything. Just happens that he's not especially good at anything. Its just a facking reetarded signing given the opportunity cost of spuunking £65m on such a signing,
posted on 12/11/23
The thing that folks like Jenius keep missing isn't that we're being impatient with a new signing who might come good. This might hold true if we spent big money on some French or Brazilian import from a foreign league. The frustrations of people with Havertz is that the world and his dog KNEW what we were buying - except Arteta it seems. I can't imagine how gleeful Chelsea must be. Imagine spending so much money on a player who has had a very underwhelming 3 years, and one of your biggest rivals comes knocking with £65m to get him off your hands. There must have been a hell of a lot of laughter in the room after that deal was made. One of the dumbest flop signings I can ever remember.
posted on 12/11/23
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's not a strange comparison at all. Arteta wasn't buying Havertz as a striker. So what he did at Chelsea in that position is pretty irrelevant.
And what do you mean Edu? Arteta is given a list of players on the market. Arteta then works on persuading the player to join on the football side and Edu on the financial side.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So are we all meant to rewrite history and pretend Havertz at Chelsea never happened?
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No. But Arteta signed him to play in midfield and that's what you have to judge him by. I explained in the summer what I believe the logic was. But also said it was a lot based in theory, and it would require a lot of hard work by Arteta/coaches to make it work. Obviously they haven't so far. Will it come good? God knows!
Every club has its share of players that look like duff buys in their first season and eventually improve. Chelsea spent £75.8m on Havertz because of what he showed as a midfield player. So that's the player Arteta thought he was buying.
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As the Chelsea fan just stated, he was tried in various positions at Chelsea and flopped in all of them.
They have seen this guy play for them for 3 season and I have not met one Chelsea fan that is gutted that we signed him.
He has played nearly 20 games for Arsenal. Your ignoring one important piece of information which is that he goes hiding in games, which is inexsuable in itself.
posted on 12/11/23
I am not giving up on Havertz so quickly. But obviously he has to improve or Arteta will need to buy in the Jan window to maintain a title/CL challenge.
Whats making me a bit irate is that ESR is injured again, and I believed he would be able to establish himself as our second no.8 with a year or two of development. I wanted Paqueta the summer before last, but didn't think West Ham would sell us both Rice and Paqueta last summer. I wish we had tried harder for Gundogan to be the perfect bridge last summer.
So now Arteta is playing two deep midfield players again. That's why I think the link to Douglas Luiz has some legs. He has added goals to his ability to press, which sort of fits our no.8 philosophy. We have tried for him in the past, so I hope his agent was wise enough to put in a CL club clause when he signed his new contract.
posted on 12/11/23
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 4 minutes ago
He has played nearly 20 games for Arsenal. Your ignoring one important piece of information which is that he goes hiding in games, which is inexsuable in itself.
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Nah. I don't agree that Havertz hides. Or he wouldn't be missing so many chances. Wish he did shoot more.
Vieira is the one who hides!
posted on 12/11/23
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 8 minutes ago
I am not giving up on Havertz so quickly. But obviously he has to improve or Arteta will need to buy in the Jan window to maintain a title/CL challenge.
Whats making me a bit irate is that ESR is injured again, and I believed he would be able to establish himself as our second no.8 with a year or two of development. I wanted Paqueta the summer before last, but didn't think West Ham would sell us both Rice and Paqueta last summer. I wish we had tried harder for Gundogan to be the perfect bridge last summer.
So now Arteta is playing two deep midfield players again. That's why I think the link to Douglas Luiz has some legs. He has added goals to his ability to press, which sort of fits our no.8 philosophy. We have tried for him in the past, so I hope his agent was wise enough to put in a CL club clause when he signed his new contract.
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We all want Havertz to work but I'm pretty sure he will be in the Bundesliga next summer on loan
posted on 12/11/23
He want be in the Bundesliga next summer. There is abslute no interest in him and they cant pay his wages either.
posted on 12/11/23
*wont
posted on 12/11/23
Is J99 STILL twerking for Shatvertz??? Wow 😂
posted on 12/11/23
How am I twerking for Havertz? Do you even read the comments anymore?
posted on 12/11/23
So you agree he has been a terrible signing?
posted on 12/11/23
Obviously because so far he has done nothing.
posted on 12/11/23
Paqi with a beaut from an embarrassing error
posted on 12/11/23
Moyes trying to play like Arteta. Student masters the teacher.
posted on 12/11/23
https://dubz.co/c/4442e9
Look at this fine goal.
posted on 12/11/23
Top save Areola
posted on 12/11/23
Darwin goal standing?
posted on 12/11/23
Nope.
posted on 12/11/23
Going forward Brentford look dangerous.
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