Just let referees use judgement about whether they think a player deliberately used their arm to affect the ball.
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Didn't we try this already? And the clusterfack that came out of letting referees use their judgment is exactly what led to the introduction of VAR.

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
Just let referees use judgement about whether they think a player deliberately used their arm to affect the ball.
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Didn't we try this already? And the clusterfack that came out of letting referees use their judgment is exactly what led to the introduction of VAR.
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The application of the law was far better pre VAR imo, although VAR isn’t the root cause.

The main problem is fans, players and managers who are too childish to accept that just because they disagree with a referee, it doesn’t necessarily mean the referee is wrong.

That has led to lawmakers trying to find an application of the law that can be consistent across all incidents. And if doesn’t work.

If the player had clearly handled it deliberately or put their arms in a position where they’re hoping to affect the ball, it’s handball.

Anything else is not.
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Disagree with this too. Sometimes the ball hits the hand in a position and manner such that it doesn't matter the intention and a penalty must be awarded regardless.

For example, if you clear the ball off the line and stop a certain goal with your hand then I don't care how not deliberate or unintentional it is. I would agree that players should not get sent off in such scenarios but a penalty it must be.

This argue comes from the notion that is sometimes is a mistake then it can be excused. However, that's no the case. Just because something is a mistake doesn't mean the offender shouldn't pay the penalty, pun not intended. At the end of the day the use of hands is an offence in the game, and should be excused at only very few occasions.

Still arguing against one of the few decisions VAR has got right recently

If a player is just standing on the line and the ball hits them, why on earth would you punish them?

It’s no different to the ball hitting them in the face.

It’s also completely against the actual point of the law.

comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 52 seconds ago
Still arguing against one of the few decisions VAR has got right recently
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Eh?

The main problem is fans, players and managers who are too childish to accept that just because they disagree with a referee, it doesn’t necessarily mean the referee is wrong.
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Disagree with this too. I think fans expect some degree of bad decisions as the refs are human. The issue is that what actually happens on the pitch exceeds the level of this expectations by fans. Fans expect some sheet, but the don't expect it to reach certain levels and as it gets worse some people are still claiming there's nothing to see.

It's clear to me that the PGMOL and the refs it puts out are not fit for the purpose or their mental state, or training, or instructions given on situations, does not allow them to be in a position to reasonably officiate games at the top level. It doesn't have to be some corruption sheet, the organisation has lost its way, for whatever reason and should be disbanded and we should start afresh with a new organisation and new trained refs with training and instructions that's more suited to the modern game and the level of scrutiny that comes with it, with ever inch of the pitch covered by multiple cameras with more zoom than 73 eagles put together.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
If a player is just standing on the line and the ball hits them, why on earth would you punish them?

It’s no different to the ball hitting them in the face.

It’s also completely against the actual point of the law.
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Of course if that happens it's a straight penalty. It is the duty of every player to ensure, and do all on their power to ensure that the ball doesn't hit their hand at all costs as it's against the rules of the game.

If the ball just your hand then you know it's against the rules and if the officials award a penalty then you must accept your fate. For me it is the nature of the beast.

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
If a player is just standing on the line and the ball hits them, why on earth would you punish them?

It’s no different to the ball hitting them in the face.

It’s also completely against the actual point of the law.
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Of course if that happens it's a straight penalty. It is the duty of every player to ensure, and do all on their power to ensure that the ball doesn't hit their hand at all costs as it's against the rules of the game.

If the ball just your hand then you know it's against the rules and if the officials award a penalty then you must accept your fate. For me it is the nature of the beast.
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That’s wrong and absurd.

Firstly, it’s not against the rules to be good still and have the ball kicked against your hand.

Secondly, if you’re advocating a law that punishes someone for something they could do absolutely nothing about - with a penalty no less - then something has gone wrong with your opinion.

We’re moving to a hockey based solution.

If it hits your hand, it’s a free kick or penalty.

Absolutely absurd, but there we are.

Mouthwatering North London Derby today.

Hope the game isn’t overrun with cheating and whinging by the players… it has the potential to be a cracker.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
Just let referees use judgement about whether they think a player deliberately used their arm to affect the ball.
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Didn't we try this already? And the clusterfack that came out of letting referees use their judgment is exactly what led to the introduction of VAR.
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The application of the law was far better pre VAR imo, although VAR isn’t the root cause.

The main problem is fans, players and managers who are too childish to accept that just because they disagree with a referee, it doesn’t necessarily mean the referee is wrong.

That has led to lawmakers trying to find an application of the law that can be consistent across all incidents. And if doesn’t work.
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No it wasn't..this is why it was introduced

No it isn't...the ref doesn't make the decision most of the time..incompetent (*or even corrupt) VAR officials do - despite having the benefit of replays

* unlikely but can't be ruled out...Forest think they have a case

Go watch the Grealish handball in the semi...CLEARLY & I mean CLEARLY that was deliberate & should have been a pen...any official that can't see that & interpret it correctly has no place officiating at that level

Secondly, if you’re advocating a law that punishes someone for something they could do absolutely nothing about - with a penalty no less - then something has gone wrong with your opinion.
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It really hasn't. It's you that's too woke.

Just because someone is can't do anything about something in a sport doesn't mean it shouldn't be punished. Ball hits your hand on the line then tough luck. That's the way the game goes.

This thing where we want perfection with hand balls and for a human ref to magically know a players intention is the problem actually.

No hands in football.

Go watch the Grealish handball in the semi...CLEARLY & I mean CLEARLY that was deliberate & should have been a pen...any official that can't see that & interpret it correctly has no place officiating at that level
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Allowing refs to decide is pathetic. They've proven for many years they can't be relied on to decide anything.

We need to take as much power from refs as possible, not give them more power.

Separate pitch refs from VAR refs so they are separate instead of acting like the Tories and backing and covering each other. The job of VAR is to question refs and nudge them towards better decisions, not confirm their clusterfacks.

Train the new refs under a new organisation and give Howard Webb and the other dinosaurs their handshake and thank them for a sheety job all this time and thank Webb for the 18% of his career penalties that he gave to United.

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 24 minutes ago
Secondly, if you’re advocating a law that punishes someone for something they could do absolutely nothing about - with a penalty no less - then something has gone wrong with your opinion.
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It really hasn't. It's you that's too woke.

Just because someone is can't do anything about something in a sport doesn't mean it shouldn't be punished. Ball hits your hand on the line then tough luck. That's the way the game goes.

This thing where we want perfection with hand balls and for a human ref to magically know a players intention is the problem actually.

No hands in football.
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‘Too woke’



I won’t waste any longer discussing it with you.

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
Just let referees use judgement about whether they think a player deliberately used their arm to affect the ball.
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Didn't we try this already? And the clusterfack that came out of letting referees use their judgment is exactly what led to the introduction of VAR.
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The application of the law was far better pre VAR imo, although VAR isn’t the root cause.

The main problem is fans, players and managers who are too childish to accept that just because they disagree with a referee, it doesn’t necessarily mean the referee is wrong.

That has led to lawmakers trying to find an application of the law that can be consistent across all incidents. And if doesn’t work.
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No it wasn't..this is why it was introduced

No it isn't...the ref doesn't make the decision most of the time..incompetent (*or even corrupt) VAR officials do - despite having the benefit of replays

* unlikely but can't be ruled out...Forest think they have a case

Go watch the Grealish handball in the semi...CLEARLY & I mean CLEARLY that was deliberate & should have been a pen...any official that can't see that & interpret it correctly has no place officiating at that level
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Not sure what the Grealish one has to do with my point?

The current rule has been played around with so much that it’s a mess - VAR or no VAR.

Now we have nothing to play for I can sit back and enjoy the soccer.

I’ve no doubt City will save soccer and win the league and it will be funny to watch Spurs bottle another NLD.


Few beers and this could be turn out to be an enjoyable Sunday

comment by Rain (U22339)
posted 21 minutes ago
Now we have nothing to play for I can sit back and enjoy the soccer.

I’ve no doubt City will save soccer and win the league and it will be funny to watch Spurs bottle another NLD.


Few beers and this could be turn out to be an enjoyable Sunday
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Be pretty funny if spurs win

Wokey Winston 🤠

We are the Arsenal

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 6 seconds ago
Wokey Winston 🤠
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Wokeston surely better?

comment by Pun (U21588)
posted about a minute ago
We are the Arsenal
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You are filtered.

🥳🤡

Too early Vengeance I can't unfilter you yet

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wokey Winston 🤠
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Someone once called me woke at a football match once because my teams goalkeeper objected to having a bottle thrown at him.

Up till now, that’s the best use of the word I’ve heard.

We have a new winner though.

comment by Thierry Punry (U21588)
posted less than a minute ago
Too early Vengeance I can't unfilter you yet
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Leave me filtered, Pun. 😁