Cook was better than both.
comment by Pinefresh (U22978)
posted 5 minutes ago
Cook was better than both.
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Cook was boring
Root has never gone behind his team mates backs like K P did.
Cook was a brilliant player and captain.
KP was insane but Root spent half of his career being the only one who could hold a bat whereas KP often came in with a solid foundation already set where he could flourish.
If Root played in Strauss' England side he'd probably average 55.
Root's the better cricketer but KP was more entertaining
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 10 hours, 36 minutes ago
KP was insane but Root spent half of his career being the only one who could hold a bat whereas KP often came in with a solid foundation already set where he could flourish.
If Root played in Strauss' England side he'd probably average 55.
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KP did it against all time greats like McGrath, Warne, Murali, Dale Steyn, Shoaib Akthar to name a few. Root hasn't faced that level of opponent.
What I would say is that England was very fortunate to have had KP and he should have been better managed.
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 10 hours, 36 minutes ago
KP was insane but Root spent half of his career being the only one who could hold a bat whereas KP often came in with a solid foundation already set where he could flourish.
If Root played in Strauss' England side he'd probably average 55.
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KP did it against all time greats like McGrath, Warne, Murali, Dale Steyn, Shoaib Akthar to name a few. Root hasn't faced that level of opponent.
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He's faced Steyn and I'd say Rabada, Ashwin, Cummins, Boult and Bumrah will go down as all time greats when they retire.
Pietersen was brilliant, his 158 on the final day of the 05 Ashes is one of my favourite innings. However I wouldn't hesitate to pick Root every time. He's got a better record overseas, he's a better player of spin, he's scored more hundreds, more fifties and has maintained a world class level for so long. Even when he had those conversion issues and many questioned his mentality, well the mentality he showed to get through that and score as many as he has mow shows the class of the guy.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 10 hours, 36 minutes ago
KP was insane but Root spent half of his career being the only one who could hold a bat whereas KP often came in with a solid foundation already set where he could flourish.
If Root played in Strauss' England side he'd probably average 55.
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KP did it against all time greats like McGrath, Warne, Murali, Dale Steyn, Shoaib Akthar to name a few. Root hasn't faced that level of opponent.
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He's faced Steyn and I'd say Rabada, Ashwin, Cummins, Boult and Bumrah will go down as all time greats when they retire.
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The likes of Cummins, Rabada, Ashwin etc have not bowled at all time greats like Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting, Mohammed Yousuf etc to be considered greats. Those batsmen were on a diffrernt level to current players
comment by Emile Death Rowe (TCM) (U8959)
posted 39 minutes ago
Pietersen was brilliant, his 158 on the final day of the 05 Ashes is one of my favourite innings. However I wouldn't hesitate to pick Root every time. He's got a better record overseas, he's a better player of spin, he's scored more hundreds, more fifties and has maintained a world class level for so long. Even when he had those conversion issues and many questioned his mentality, well the mentality he showed to get through that and score as many as he has mow shows the class of the guy.
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Fair points you make. However I'm pretty sure Pietersen has a better record than root when playing against Australia in Australia, which is probably the hardest place to go.
Better how? In terms of talent? Yeah, probably.
In terms of record, nope. In terms of a teammate, nope.
If I was putting together a team unit it would be Root every time.
comment by Szoboss - Glory Days (U6997)
posted 57 minutes ago
Better how? In terms of talent? Yeah, probably.
In terms of record, nope. In terms of a teammate, nope.
If I was putting together a team unit it would be Root every time.
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Root hasn't done it in the Ashes.
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Emile Death Rowe (TCM) (U8959)
posted 39 minutes ago
Pietersen was brilliant, his 158 on the final day of the 05 Ashes is one of my favourite innings. However I wouldn't hesitate to pick Root every time. He's got a better record overseas, he's a better player of spin, he's scored more hundreds, more fifties and has maintained a world class level for so long. Even when he had those conversion issues and many questioned his mentality, well the mentality he showed to get through that and score as many as he has mow shows the class of the guy.
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Fair points you make. However I'm pretty sure Pietersen has a better record than root when playing against Australia in Australia, which is probably the hardest place to go.
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Yeah Root in Australia has been average and that's the only place I'd say Pietersen has really outshone him. Pacey bouncey wickets are probably where Root struggles most.
Id take Root over KP any day.. decent off spinner as well
and can catch KP dropped loads especially at the start of his career
KP's the best player we have (produced) in a long time. I'd have them both in my best England team from the last 40 years
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
KP's the best player we have (produced) in a long time. I'd have them both in my best England team from the last 40 years
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Didn't SA produce him?
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
KP's the best player we have (produced) in a long time. I'd have them both in my best England team from the last 40 years
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Didn't SA produce him?
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Yeah that's why I put the word in brackets. The county system at least helped in his development from being a decent bat to a great one
Root is way more consistent but KP had that X factor which made teams fear him.
Both have faced top class bowlers so IMO its just who u prefer.
I would say the quality of bowlers since KP retired is probably not as up their bar maybe a few.
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 22 minutes ago
Root is way more consistent but KP had that X factor which made teams fear him.
Both have faced top class bowlers so IMO its just who u prefer.
I would say the quality of bowlers since KP retired is probably not as up their bar maybe a few.
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Other than Warne, I would say the bowling now is just as challenging as it was then.
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 10 hours, 36 minutes ago
KP was insane but Root spent half of his career being the only one who could hold a bat whereas KP often came in with a solid foundation already set where he could flourish.
If Root played in Strauss' England side he'd probably average 55.
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KP did it against all time greats like McGrath, Warne, Murali, Dale Steyn, Shoaib Akthar to name a few. Root hasn't faced that level of opponent.
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He's faced Steyn and I'd say Rabada, Ashwin, Cummins, Boult and Bumrah will go down as all time greats when they retire.
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The likes of Cummins, Rabada, Ashwin etc have not bowled at all time greats like Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting, Mohammed Yousuf etc to be considered greats. Those batsmen were on a diffrernt level to current players
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Root, Kohli, Smith, Williamson will all go down as all time greats.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 10 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 10 hours, 36 minutes ago
KP was insane but Root spent half of his career being the only one who could hold a bat whereas KP often came in with a solid foundation already set where he could flourish.
If Root played in Strauss' England side he'd probably average 55.
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KP did it against all time greats like McGrath, Warne, Murali, Dale Steyn, Shoaib Akthar to name a few. Root hasn't faced that level of opponent.
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He's faced Steyn and I'd say Rabada, Ashwin, Cummins, Boult and Bumrah will go down as all time greats when they retire.
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The likes of Cummins, Rabada, Ashwin etc have not bowled at all time greats like Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting, Mohammed Yousuf etc to be considered greats. Those batsmen were on a diffrernt level to current players
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Root, Kohli, Smith, Williamson will all go down as all time greats.
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In what order?
Tests
Smith
Root
Williamson
Kohli
ODI's
Kohli
Root
Smith
Williamson
I'd probably put Williamson second in both categories. He is incredibly underrated against the other 3. Averages over 50 in both formats.
It's quite difficult to compare bowlers across eras as well. How would all those greats listed cope in the modern era with the way batsmen now score?
It's a very different environment for bowlers now, particularly in ODI cricket. When the likes of Ahktar, McGrath, Warne and Murali were around; 200 was defendable, 250 was considered a high score and 300 was a winning one. You score 250 now and its considered low.
They would face a different challenge these days and whilst I have no doubt they would still be great; I imagine the likes of Rabada, Ashwin, Cummins, Boult and Bumrah would also look great in the previous era.
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posted on 29/1/24
Cook was better than both.
posted on 29/1/24
comment by Pinefresh (U22978)
posted 5 minutes ago
Cook was better than both.
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Cook was boring
posted on 29/1/24
The W G Grace disrespect
posted on 29/1/24
Root has never gone behind his team mates backs like K P did.
Cook was a brilliant player and captain.
posted on 29/1/24
KP was insane but Root spent half of his career being the only one who could hold a bat whereas KP often came in with a solid foundation already set where he could flourish.
If Root played in Strauss' England side he'd probably average 55.
posted on 29/1/24
Root's the better cricketer but KP was more entertaining
posted on 30/1/24
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 10 hours, 36 minutes ago
KP was insane but Root spent half of his career being the only one who could hold a bat whereas KP often came in with a solid foundation already set where he could flourish.
If Root played in Strauss' England side he'd probably average 55.
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KP did it against all time greats like McGrath, Warne, Murali, Dale Steyn, Shoaib Akthar to name a few. Root hasn't faced that level of opponent.
posted on 30/1/24
What I would say is that England was very fortunate to have had KP and he should have been better managed.
posted on 30/1/24
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 10 hours, 36 minutes ago
KP was insane but Root spent half of his career being the only one who could hold a bat whereas KP often came in with a solid foundation already set where he could flourish.
If Root played in Strauss' England side he'd probably average 55.
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KP did it against all time greats like McGrath, Warne, Murali, Dale Steyn, Shoaib Akthar to name a few. Root hasn't faced that level of opponent.
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He's faced Steyn and I'd say Rabada, Ashwin, Cummins, Boult and Bumrah will go down as all time greats when they retire.
posted on 30/1/24
Pietersen was brilliant, his 158 on the final day of the 05 Ashes is one of my favourite innings. However I wouldn't hesitate to pick Root every time. He's got a better record overseas, he's a better player of spin, he's scored more hundreds, more fifties and has maintained a world class level for so long. Even when he had those conversion issues and many questioned his mentality, well the mentality he showed to get through that and score as many as he has mow shows the class of the guy.
posted on 30/1/24
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 10 hours, 36 minutes ago
KP was insane but Root spent half of his career being the only one who could hold a bat whereas KP often came in with a solid foundation already set where he could flourish.
If Root played in Strauss' England side he'd probably average 55.
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KP did it against all time greats like McGrath, Warne, Murali, Dale Steyn, Shoaib Akthar to name a few. Root hasn't faced that level of opponent.
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He's faced Steyn and I'd say Rabada, Ashwin, Cummins, Boult and Bumrah will go down as all time greats when they retire.
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The likes of Cummins, Rabada, Ashwin etc have not bowled at all time greats like Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting, Mohammed Yousuf etc to be considered greats. Those batsmen were on a diffrernt level to current players
posted on 30/1/24
comment by Emile Death Rowe (TCM) (U8959)
posted 39 minutes ago
Pietersen was brilliant, his 158 on the final day of the 05 Ashes is one of my favourite innings. However I wouldn't hesitate to pick Root every time. He's got a better record overseas, he's a better player of spin, he's scored more hundreds, more fifties and has maintained a world class level for so long. Even when he had those conversion issues and many questioned his mentality, well the mentality he showed to get through that and score as many as he has mow shows the class of the guy.
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Fair points you make. However I'm pretty sure Pietersen has a better record than root when playing against Australia in Australia, which is probably the hardest place to go.
posted on 30/1/24
Better how? In terms of talent? Yeah, probably.
In terms of record, nope. In terms of a teammate, nope.
If I was putting together a team unit it would be Root every time.
posted on 30/1/24
comment by Szoboss - Glory Days (U6997)
posted 57 minutes ago
Better how? In terms of talent? Yeah, probably.
In terms of record, nope. In terms of a teammate, nope.
If I was putting together a team unit it would be Root every time.
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Root hasn't done it in the Ashes.
posted on 30/1/24
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Emile Death Rowe (TCM) (U8959)
posted 39 minutes ago
Pietersen was brilliant, his 158 on the final day of the 05 Ashes is one of my favourite innings. However I wouldn't hesitate to pick Root every time. He's got a better record overseas, he's a better player of spin, he's scored more hundreds, more fifties and has maintained a world class level for so long. Even when he had those conversion issues and many questioned his mentality, well the mentality he showed to get through that and score as many as he has mow shows the class of the guy.
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Fair points you make. However I'm pretty sure Pietersen has a better record than root when playing against Australia in Australia, which is probably the hardest place to go.
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Yeah Root in Australia has been average and that's the only place I'd say Pietersen has really outshone him. Pacey bouncey wickets are probably where Root struggles most.
posted on 30/1/24
Id take Root over KP any day.. decent off spinner as well
and can catch KP dropped loads especially at the start of his career
posted on 30/1/24
KP's the best player we have (produced) in a long time. I'd have them both in my best England team from the last 40 years
posted on 30/1/24
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
KP's the best player we have (produced) in a long time. I'd have them both in my best England team from the last 40 years
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Didn't SA produce him?
posted on 31/1/24
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
KP's the best player we have (produced) in a long time. I'd have them both in my best England team from the last 40 years
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Didn't SA produce him?
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Yeah that's why I put the word in brackets. The county system at least helped in his development from being a decent bat to a great one
posted on 4/2/24
Root is way more consistent but KP had that X factor which made teams fear him.
Both have faced top class bowlers so IMO its just who u prefer.
I would say the quality of bowlers since KP retired is probably not as up their bar maybe a few.
posted on 4/2/24
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 22 minutes ago
Root is way more consistent but KP had that X factor which made teams fear him.
Both have faced top class bowlers so IMO its just who u prefer.
I would say the quality of bowlers since KP retired is probably not as up their bar maybe a few.
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Other than Warne, I would say the bowling now is just as challenging as it was then.
posted on 8/2/24
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 10 hours, 36 minutes ago
KP was insane but Root spent half of his career being the only one who could hold a bat whereas KP often came in with a solid foundation already set where he could flourish.
If Root played in Strauss' England side he'd probably average 55.
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KP did it against all time greats like McGrath, Warne, Murali, Dale Steyn, Shoaib Akthar to name a few. Root hasn't faced that level of opponent.
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He's faced Steyn and I'd say Rabada, Ashwin, Cummins, Boult and Bumrah will go down as all time greats when they retire.
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The likes of Cummins, Rabada, Ashwin etc have not bowled at all time greats like Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting, Mohammed Yousuf etc to be considered greats. Those batsmen were on a diffrernt level to current players
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Root, Kohli, Smith, Williamson will all go down as all time greats.
posted on 9/2/24
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 10 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 10 hours, 36 minutes ago
KP was insane but Root spent half of his career being the only one who could hold a bat whereas KP often came in with a solid foundation already set where he could flourish.
If Root played in Strauss' England side he'd probably average 55.
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KP did it against all time greats like McGrath, Warne, Murali, Dale Steyn, Shoaib Akthar to name a few. Root hasn't faced that level of opponent.
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He's faced Steyn and I'd say Rabada, Ashwin, Cummins, Boult and Bumrah will go down as all time greats when they retire.
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The likes of Cummins, Rabada, Ashwin etc have not bowled at all time greats like Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting, Mohammed Yousuf etc to be considered greats. Those batsmen were on a diffrernt level to current players
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Root, Kohli, Smith, Williamson will all go down as all time greats.
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In what order?
Tests
Smith
Root
Williamson
Kohli
ODI's
Kohli
Root
Smith
Williamson
posted on 9/2/24
I'd probably put Williamson second in both categories. He is incredibly underrated against the other 3. Averages over 50 in both formats.
posted on 9/2/24
It's quite difficult to compare bowlers across eras as well. How would all those greats listed cope in the modern era with the way batsmen now score?
It's a very different environment for bowlers now, particularly in ODI cricket. When the likes of Ahktar, McGrath, Warne and Murali were around; 200 was defendable, 250 was considered a high score and 300 was a winning one. You score 250 now and its considered low.
They would face a different challenge these days and whilst I have no doubt they would still be great; I imagine the likes of Rabada, Ashwin, Cummins, Boult and Bumrah would also look great in the previous era.
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