Keep the kit! It's the best one is years. The players love it . There is a video on YT of them commenting on it.
It's just a flag. Calm down.
100.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
Odd take by RR i think he knows fully the difference and why some traditions need changing whilst others are absolutely fine to be left alone.
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I'm not arguing that a design element is the same as FGM. I'm pointing out that tradition isn't sacrosanct. It's a matter of social consensus which ones are ripe for reform and which are respected and preserved. I doubt many of us wish to change the national flag. And it's clear from this thread that a lot of people don't have strong feelings about a stylised flag, apparently referencing a design feature in the 1966 training kit (which presumably no one batted an eyelid at at the time).
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That i agree with, each one should be judged on individual merit which im sure they are including this one. Personally couldnt give a toss but if it means something to people and its not hurting others why change it? Suppose someones always gonna complain. This just doesnt seem to merit complaining about imo but it so many are bothered by it with good reason then revert back, if not fack em and get on with it.
If your point had merit then surely it would have been better to choose other traditions which have been changed which were not obviously wrong, evil and disgusting.
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What's happening here is the same fallacy as when in football discussions you see an exchange like:
Person A: No, it's not true that top players are always performing at a high level by the age of 20. For instance, if you look at Roberto Baggio's career, at that age he wasn't getting regular senior football at Fiorentina.
Person B: So now you're comparing Danny Welbeck to Roberto Baggio!!!!
Person A is taking a particularly clear-cut example to illustrate a logical point about variability in the age at which a player's ceiling becomes apparent. Similarly, I was using very clear examples of why appeal to tradition isn't a sufficient argument. I didn't think that would be controversial, because I didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to draw the conclusion that I believe that having a red cross on a white background is comparable to capital punishment for child pickpockets.
InBefore, the only reason anyone is upset about this is because there's an entire outrage industry that has learned to monetise the ability to get people upset about meaningless symbols.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
InBefore, the only reason anyone is upset about this is because there's an entire outrage industry that has learned to monetise the ability to get people upset about meaningless symbols.
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Too true. On the right its boats, flags, poppies, Cornish pasties or whatever is flavour of the month.
On the left it’s usually to do with human rights and actually treating people as people.
Both sets of media know how to sell pages though. Or nowadays get clicks.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
If your point had merit then surely it would have been better to choose other traditions which have been changed which were not obviously wrong, evil and disgusting.
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What's happening here is the same fallacy as when in football discussions you see an exchange like:
Person A: No, it's not true that top players are always performing at a high level by the age of 20. For instance, if you look at Roberto Baggio's career, at that age he wasn't getting regular senior football at Fiorentina.
Person B: So now you're comparing Danny Welbeck to Roberto Baggio!!!!
Person A is taking a particularly clear-cut example to illustrate a logical point about variability in the age at which a player's ceiling becomes apparent. Similarly, I was using very clear examples of why appeal to tradition isn't a sufficient argument. I didn't think that would be controversial, because I didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to draw the conclusion that I believe that having a red cross on a white background is comparable to capital punishment for child pickpockets.
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So at best you’re making a stupidly simplistic point, which doesn’t really serve to progress the debate.
As I said, a much more interesting line of debate would be using non-controversial traditions which have changed.
Also, I think it’s fair to draw context into this where in recent years we have seen a growing trend to despise the St George flag because it has been used by right wing thugs, the Union Jack flag at schools etc. Some people are not happy with this trend and this is perceived, perhaps incorrectly, as another example of it.
It’s not a huge issue for me but I just think it’s a bit daft to on the one hand say ‘it’s so minor, it’s not a big deal’ and then on the other hand make comparisons with other traditions of such cruelty and savagery.
Compare apples with apples, not apples with elephants.
That’s my point, you can label it stupid if you wish, I won’t lose sleep over it.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
It's genuinely hilarious how this has attracted more outrage and threats of boycotts than this:
https://fashionunited.uk/news/fashion/garment-workers-sewing-england-s-world-cup-jerseys-are-paid-one-pound-per-hour/2022112266381
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What’s the purchasing power of £1 an hour in Bangkok vs minimum wage in London, bet it’s close.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Oh good, Sat Nav is here to drag another thread into the bin
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The Matt Le Tiss link is above Robbing.
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Haha I saw it. It’s a fair question Diafol!
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I thought so too!
Never mind although I actually always liked Le Tiss and I feel bad for him he's gone so far down this rabbit hole.
I don't despise the St George's Flag at all. Indeed, I wouldn't mind seeing more of it and it being shared by the vast majority of decent English folk would take it away from the idiotic minority who have hijacked it.
One thing I don't understand though is those that write 'England' on it. Surely you don't need that!
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
It's genuinely hilarious how this has attracted more outrage and threats of boycotts than this:
https://fashionunited.uk/news/fashion/garment-workers-sewing-england-s-world-cup-jerseys-are-paid-one-pound-per-hour/2022112266381
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What’s the purchasing power of £1 an hour in Bangkok vs minimum wage in London, bet it’s close.
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The shirt is being sold for £120 FFS.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
InBefore, the only reason anyone is upset about this is because there's an entire outrage industry that has learned to monetise the ability to get people upset about meaningless symbols.
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Yeah I've known people who work in the industry. They know exactly how to wind the gammons up. Then they sit back and watch and mock them as the great unoffendable get really upset at some petty nonsense and can't see the irony of them constantly saying everyone is offended too easily. Their offence keeps an entire industry going.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 40 seconds ago
I don't despise the St George's Flag at all. Indeed, I wouldn't mind seeing more of it and it being shared by the vast majority of decent English folk would take it away from the idiotic minority who have hijacked it.
One thing I don't understand though is those that write 'England' on it. Surely you don't need that!
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Better than writing YEOVIL TOWN across the middle. As if that isn’t bastardising the flag anyway.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
InBefore, the only reason anyone is upset about this is because there's an entire outrage industry that has learned to monetise the ability to get people upset about meaningless symbols.
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Meaningless to you perhaps, not to everyone.
Honestly, it is so crude (I’m not saying you’re doing this RR, although there is a whiff of it) that when these things come up, everyone who has an issue with flags, traditions etc they are labelled as flag fetishists, flag sh4ggers, little englanders, racist, gammons. Whilst there are people that match those descriptions, it’s not everyone.
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
InBefore, the only reason anyone is upset about this is because there's an entire outrage industry that has learned to monetise the ability to get people upset about meaningless symbols.
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Yeah I've known people who work in the industry. They know exactly how to wind the gammons up. Then they sit back and watch and mock them as the great unoffendable get really upset at some petty nonsense and can't see the irony of them constantly saying everyone is offended too easily. Their offence keeps an entire industry going.
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They don't call them geniuses for nothing.
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 40 seconds ago
I don't despise the St George's Flag at all. Indeed, I wouldn't mind seeing more of it and it being shared by the vast majority of decent English folk would take it away from the idiotic minority who have hijacked it.
One thing I don't understand though is those that write 'England' on it. Surely you don't need that!
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Better than writing YEOVIL TOWN across the middle. As if that isn’t bastardising the flag anyway.
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Is it though? I get writing Yeovil Town on it as they want to signify they're English and Yeovil fans. There should be no need to write the name of the country on the flag representing that country. It should be recognisable on its own merit!
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't despise the St George's Flag at all. Indeed, I wouldn't mind seeing more of it and it being shared by the vast majority of decent English folk would take it away from the idiotic minority who have hijacked it.
One thing I don't understand though is those that write 'England' on it. Surely you don't need that!
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Hahah I hadn’t seen that lol
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
Odd take by RR i think he knows fully the difference and why some traditions need changing whilst others are absolutely fine to be left alone.
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I'm not arguing that a design element is the same as FGM. I'm pointing out that tradition isn't sacrosanct. It's a matter of social consensus which ones are ripe for reform and which are respected and preserved. I doubt many of us wish to change the national flag. And it's clear from this thread that a lot of people don't have strong feelings about a stylised flag, apparently referencing a design feature in the 1966 training kit (which presumably no one batted an eyelid at at the time).
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I'm a football fan and this paragraph might as well be in Japanese my son. Football fans aren't intelligent
Thanks
Also we need to reclaim st Georges, he's an English as they come
Well it's certainly got the vexillologists vexed !
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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It isn’t Nike, this is from the FA. Don’t mean to nitpick.
sadly none fit me anymore.
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That is because you are a fat cant
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 8 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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Oh what irony..
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9782677/Hannity-condemns-U-S-Olympic-Committees-proposal-redesign-flag-logo.html
So at best you’re making a stupidly simplistic point, which doesn’t really serve to progress the debate.
As I said, a much more interesting line of debate would be using non-controversial traditions which have changed.
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The OP was based on a single argument - "it's traditional; therefore it shouldn't be changed" - and I was challenging that premise. I'd agree that the point I was making was simple, but I was directly engaging with the terms of the contention the OP had put forward.
As to your preference for alternative examples, I suppose that's down to sensibilities. I wasn't setting out to opine about how cultural traditions and symbols evolve, just to challenge the OP that an appeal to tradition isn't enough, that if he wants to show that this is a travesty, then the argument needs to do more than appeal to tradition.
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9782677/Hannity-condemns-U-S-Olympic-Committees-proposal-redesign-flag-logo.html
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Team USA are literally proposing to change the stars and stripes. Thoughts?
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posted on 22/3/24
Keep the kit! It's the best one is years. The players love it . There is a video on YT of them commenting on it.
It's just a flag. Calm down.
100.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
Odd take by RR i think he knows fully the difference and why some traditions need changing whilst others are absolutely fine to be left alone.
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I'm not arguing that a design element is the same as FGM. I'm pointing out that tradition isn't sacrosanct. It's a matter of social consensus which ones are ripe for reform and which are respected and preserved. I doubt many of us wish to change the national flag. And it's clear from this thread that a lot of people don't have strong feelings about a stylised flag, apparently referencing a design feature in the 1966 training kit (which presumably no one batted an eyelid at at the time).
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That i agree with, each one should be judged on individual merit which im sure they are including this one. Personally couldnt give a toss but if it means something to people and its not hurting others why change it? Suppose someones always gonna complain. This just doesnt seem to merit complaining about imo but it so many are bothered by it with good reason then revert back, if not fack em and get on with it.
posted on 22/3/24
If your point had merit then surely it would have been better to choose other traditions which have been changed which were not obviously wrong, evil and disgusting.
----------------------------------------------------------
What's happening here is the same fallacy as when in football discussions you see an exchange like:
Person A: No, it's not true that top players are always performing at a high level by the age of 20. For instance, if you look at Roberto Baggio's career, at that age he wasn't getting regular senior football at Fiorentina.
Person B: So now you're comparing Danny Welbeck to Roberto Baggio!!!!
Person A is taking a particularly clear-cut example to illustrate a logical point about variability in the age at which a player's ceiling becomes apparent. Similarly, I was using very clear examples of why appeal to tradition isn't a sufficient argument. I didn't think that would be controversial, because I didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to draw the conclusion that I believe that having a red cross on a white background is comparable to capital punishment for child pickpockets.
posted on 22/3/24
InBefore, the only reason anyone is upset about this is because there's an entire outrage industry that has learned to monetise the ability to get people upset about meaningless symbols.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
InBefore, the only reason anyone is upset about this is because there's an entire outrage industry that has learned to monetise the ability to get people upset about meaningless symbols.
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Too true. On the right its boats, flags, poppies, Cornish pasties or whatever is flavour of the month.
On the left it’s usually to do with human rights and actually treating people as people.
Both sets of media know how to sell pages though. Or nowadays get clicks.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
If your point had merit then surely it would have been better to choose other traditions which have been changed which were not obviously wrong, evil and disgusting.
----------------------------------------------------------
What's happening here is the same fallacy as when in football discussions you see an exchange like:
Person A: No, it's not true that top players are always performing at a high level by the age of 20. For instance, if you look at Roberto Baggio's career, at that age he wasn't getting regular senior football at Fiorentina.
Person B: So now you're comparing Danny Welbeck to Roberto Baggio!!!!
Person A is taking a particularly clear-cut example to illustrate a logical point about variability in the age at which a player's ceiling becomes apparent. Similarly, I was using very clear examples of why appeal to tradition isn't a sufficient argument. I didn't think that would be controversial, because I didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to draw the conclusion that I believe that having a red cross on a white background is comparable to capital punishment for child pickpockets.
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So at best you’re making a stupidly simplistic point, which doesn’t really serve to progress the debate.
As I said, a much more interesting line of debate would be using non-controversial traditions which have changed.
Also, I think it’s fair to draw context into this where in recent years we have seen a growing trend to despise the St George flag because it has been used by right wing thugs, the Union Jack flag at schools etc. Some people are not happy with this trend and this is perceived, perhaps incorrectly, as another example of it.
It’s not a huge issue for me but I just think it’s a bit daft to on the one hand say ‘it’s so minor, it’s not a big deal’ and then on the other hand make comparisons with other traditions of such cruelty and savagery.
Compare apples with apples, not apples with elephants.
That’s my point, you can label it stupid if you wish, I won’t lose sleep over it.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
It's genuinely hilarious how this has attracted more outrage and threats of boycotts than this:
https://fashionunited.uk/news/fashion/garment-workers-sewing-england-s-world-cup-jerseys-are-paid-one-pound-per-hour/2022112266381
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What’s the purchasing power of £1 an hour in Bangkok vs minimum wage in London, bet it’s close.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Oh good, Sat Nav is here to drag another thread into the bin
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The Matt Le Tiss link is above Robbing.
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Haha I saw it. It’s a fair question Diafol!
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I thought so too!
Never mind although I actually always liked Le Tiss and I feel bad for him he's gone so far down this rabbit hole.
posted on 22/3/24
I don't despise the St George's Flag at all. Indeed, I wouldn't mind seeing more of it and it being shared by the vast majority of decent English folk would take it away from the idiotic minority who have hijacked it.
One thing I don't understand though is those that write 'England' on it. Surely you don't need that!
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
It's genuinely hilarious how this has attracted more outrage and threats of boycotts than this:
https://fashionunited.uk/news/fashion/garment-workers-sewing-england-s-world-cup-jerseys-are-paid-one-pound-per-hour/2022112266381
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What’s the purchasing power of £1 an hour in Bangkok vs minimum wage in London, bet it’s close.
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The shirt is being sold for £120 FFS.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
InBefore, the only reason anyone is upset about this is because there's an entire outrage industry that has learned to monetise the ability to get people upset about meaningless symbols.
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Yeah I've known people who work in the industry. They know exactly how to wind the gammons up. Then they sit back and watch and mock them as the great unoffendable get really upset at some petty nonsense and can't see the irony of them constantly saying everyone is offended too easily. Their offence keeps an entire industry going.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 40 seconds ago
I don't despise the St George's Flag at all. Indeed, I wouldn't mind seeing more of it and it being shared by the vast majority of decent English folk would take it away from the idiotic minority who have hijacked it.
One thing I don't understand though is those that write 'England' on it. Surely you don't need that!
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Better than writing YEOVIL TOWN across the middle. As if that isn’t bastardising the flag anyway.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
InBefore, the only reason anyone is upset about this is because there's an entire outrage industry that has learned to monetise the ability to get people upset about meaningless symbols.
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Meaningless to you perhaps, not to everyone.
Honestly, it is so crude (I’m not saying you’re doing this RR, although there is a whiff of it) that when these things come up, everyone who has an issue with flags, traditions etc they are labelled as flag fetishists, flag sh4ggers, little englanders, racist, gammons. Whilst there are people that match those descriptions, it’s not everyone.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
InBefore, the only reason anyone is upset about this is because there's an entire outrage industry that has learned to monetise the ability to get people upset about meaningless symbols.
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Yeah I've known people who work in the industry. They know exactly how to wind the gammons up. Then they sit back and watch and mock them as the great unoffendable get really upset at some petty nonsense and can't see the irony of them constantly saying everyone is offended too easily. Their offence keeps an entire industry going.
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They don't call them geniuses for nothing.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 40 seconds ago
I don't despise the St George's Flag at all. Indeed, I wouldn't mind seeing more of it and it being shared by the vast majority of decent English folk would take it away from the idiotic minority who have hijacked it.
One thing I don't understand though is those that write 'England' on it. Surely you don't need that!
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Better than writing YEOVIL TOWN across the middle. As if that isn’t bastardising the flag anyway.
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Is it though? I get writing Yeovil Town on it as they want to signify they're English and Yeovil fans. There should be no need to write the name of the country on the flag representing that country. It should be recognisable on its own merit!
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't despise the St George's Flag at all. Indeed, I wouldn't mind seeing more of it and it being shared by the vast majority of decent English folk would take it away from the idiotic minority who have hijacked it.
One thing I don't understand though is those that write 'England' on it. Surely you don't need that!
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Hahah I hadn’t seen that lol
posted on 22/3/24
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
Odd take by RR i think he knows fully the difference and why some traditions need changing whilst others are absolutely fine to be left alone.
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I'm not arguing that a design element is the same as FGM. I'm pointing out that tradition isn't sacrosanct. It's a matter of social consensus which ones are ripe for reform and which are respected and preserved. I doubt many of us wish to change the national flag. And it's clear from this thread that a lot of people don't have strong feelings about a stylised flag, apparently referencing a design feature in the 1966 training kit (which presumably no one batted an eyelid at at the time).
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I'm a football fan and this paragraph might as well be in Japanese my son. Football fans aren't intelligent
Thanks
Also we need to reclaim st Georges, he's an English as they come
posted on 22/3/24
Well it's certainly got the vexillologists vexed !
posted on 22/3/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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It isn’t Nike, this is from the FA. Don’t mean to nitpick.
posted on 22/3/24
sadly none fit me anymore.
--
That is because you are a fat cant
posted on 22/3/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 8 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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Oh what irony..
posted on 22/3/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9782677/Hannity-condemns-U-S-Olympic-Committees-proposal-redesign-flag-logo.html
posted on 22/3/24
So at best you’re making a stupidly simplistic point, which doesn’t really serve to progress the debate.
As I said, a much more interesting line of debate would be using non-controversial traditions which have changed.
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The OP was based on a single argument - "it's traditional; therefore it shouldn't be changed" - and I was challenging that premise. I'd agree that the point I was making was simple, but I was directly engaging with the terms of the contention the OP had put forward.
As to your preference for alternative examples, I suppose that's down to sensibilities. I wasn't setting out to opine about how cultural traditions and symbols evolve, just to challenge the OP that an appeal to tradition isn't enough, that if he wants to show that this is a travesty, then the argument needs to do more than appeal to tradition.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9782677/Hannity-condemns-U-S-Olympic-Committees-proposal-redesign-flag-logo.html
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Team USA are literally proposing to change the stars and stripes. Thoughts?
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