Apparently Arsenal wanted Martinez for their left back role. I think the issue with two left footers is, as I mentioned, they’re typically more one footed. But there’s probably the issue that because there’s fewer of them, they’ll have trained most of their life to play on the left side, so moving to the other side causes comfort issues, if they’re decent with the other foot. Given right footed cbs are so prominent, you don’t get those issues as often. The comfort thing I think especially important, look at Maguire on the left compared to the right, even though he’s right footed. He’s a lot more comfortable playing on the left as it’s where he’s played most of his career.
*even if they’re decent with the other foot
didn't ten hag have a whole thing where he wanted Maguire to start playing on the right? that was very odd
The strongest rumours about Eze are that he'd prefer a move to Spurs, one for family reasons and two, we have a more settled structure and manager in place who has a clear identity playing attacking football. If you take both of those reasons and throw in that he's represented by CAA BASE, who many Spurs players are with and have a good relationship with the club. The Maddison transfer went through like a breeze, largely because of the agencies involved. If it's a straight fight between Spurs and United, unless you pay him stupid money, he'll prefer us, I'm sure.
city and arsenal have been linked a lot to eze and olise too
I imagine palace sell one this summer
Yeah he did. I got it for when he wanted him to play they with Martinez, but they he started playing Lindelof on the left when he got injured. Maguire’s been back on the left in a lot of games this season, though. The weirdest one for me is using AWB at left back instead of Dalot. Dalot is really two footed, and has played left back loads in his career, yet he’s put AWB there since Shaw got injured.
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Both talented, and both would be exciting signings, but we simply can't be signing players who seem to pick up regular injuries. That has to be a key part of our recruitment moving forward.
Guehi would be an interesting option though. We need to sign two CB's this summer, both of whom need to be physically dominant, athletic and can cover the ground and play higher up the pitch. Todibo looks an exciting talent, and maybe Guehi could be another option.
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Branthwaite will be high on our list I reckon. He's what we're missing in defence - an absolute physical and athletic monster.
Probably looking at £70m plus but I think he's the type of player we wouldn't mind spending that on.
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what's going on with lisandro? can't stay fit? would be unusual to start two lefties together
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I want to believe his injuries have been bad luck but we can't really take that chance. Plus, I don't think its certain that another manager will want him as a starting CB if we get rid of ETH. Not quite sure where he'd fit in that case. Presumably he would somewhere as he's a very good player - Arsenal wanted him the season we got him, but I don't think as a CB as Saliba/Gabriel's physical presence is quite important to them.
Don't know about them playing together. I've read that Branthwaite played on the right quite a bit when he was at PSV though, so it's possible.
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I'd not be against going and signing two CB's that have the quality to start as a pair (let's say Todibo and Branthwaite for argument's sake), and look to utilise Martinez in other positions when needed. I think he'd make an excellent CDM or could be used as a LB who steps into midfield when he's not at CB. It would be nice to have some proper options at least with a more athletic profile, good fitness records and at ages where they should improve over the coming seasons.
I'm also struggling to see past Amadou Onana as a CM player that would massively improve our athletic and technical qualities at a young age and with plenty of PL and international experience under his belt.
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city and arsenal have been linked a lot to eze and olise too
I imagine palace sell one this summer
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If Arsenal go out on another splurge, you have to wonder what's going on with FFP because they've plundered a feckin fortune since Arteta came in.
Don't they both have injury problems? Both very talented but with the limited budget we'll probably have this summer I think we need to look at CB abd CM before any other positions.
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Yeah he did. I got it for when he wanted him to play they with Martinez, but they he started playing Lindelof on the left when he got injured. Maguire’s been back on the left in a lot of games this season, though. The weirdest one for me is using AWB at left back instead of Dalot. Dalot is really two footed, and has played left back loads in his career, yet he’s put AWB there since Shaw got injured.
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I think AWB was put on the left partly in order to keep some semblance of consistency across the backline, but more likely due to who he would be coming up against initially: Salah twice in quick succession. Then having played him there, kept him there for a bit (but has changed them back around a couple of times now).
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Yeah he did. I got it for when he wanted him to play they with Martinez, but they he started playing Lindelof on the left when he got injured. Maguire’s been back on the left in a lot of games this season, though. The weirdest one for me is using AWB at left back instead of Dalot. Dalot is really two footed, and has played left back loads in his career, yet he’s put AWB there since Shaw got injured.
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I think AWB was put on the left partly in order to keep some semblance of consistency across the backline, but more likely due to who he would be coming up against initially: Salah twice in quick succession. Then having played him there, kept him there for a bit (but has changed them back around a couple of times now).
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He started there before those games, though. Spurs being the first time he played there.
Frimpong for 35-40m and play him wide right. Plays like a winger anyway.
Stop getting fleeced by middle of the road PL players.
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Frimpong for 35-40m and play him wide right. Plays like a winger anyway.
Stop getting fleeced by middle of the road PL players.
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but his best asset is attacking the larger areas in front of him that are vacated, coming from deeper areas using his pace.... that isnt what a RM does. I hate it when people just assume an attacking RB wil be more or just as effective at RM.
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Apparently Arsenal wanted Martinez for their left back role. I think the issue with two left footers is, as I mentioned, they’re typically more one footed. But there’s probably the issue that because there’s fewer of them, they’ll have trained most of their life to play on the left side, so moving to the other side causes comfort issues, if they’re decent with the other foot. Given right footed cbs are so prominent, you don’t get those issues as often. The comfort thing I think especially important, look at Maguire on the left compared to the right, even though he’s right footed. He’s a lot more comfortable playing on the left as it’s where he’s played most of his career.
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In the modern game with the emphasis on passing CBs i always feel that a CB in most cases looks more comfortable on their natural side (left footer on left) and this gives them a better range to pass to (accurately) particularly switching play or when under pressure.
I played CB and while I was always happy defending on either side, with the ball at my feet, i always felt as a righty on the left kinda feels like the right side of the pitch is more closed off as a passing option, unless you have loads of time and space. Obvs not a pro player but i think the principle still applies.
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comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
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Frimpong for 35-40m and play him wide right. Plays like a winger anyway.
Stop getting fleeced by middle of the road PL players.
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but his best asset is attacking the larger areas in front of him that are vacated, coming from deeper areas using his pace.... that isnt what a RM does. I hate it when people just assume an attacking RB wil be more or just as effective at RM.
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Have you actually watched Leverkusen recently? He hasn't even played at the back. He's been lining up on the right wing a lot of late. At Westham the other week he was often the furthest man forward.
This guy ain't a defender at all. Bit like when Bale started as a LB and soon got moved. Don't see this being any different.
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comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
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Frimpong for 35-40m and play him wide right. Plays like a winger anyway.
Stop getting fleeced by middle of the road PL players.
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but his best asset is attacking the larger areas in front of him that are vacated, coming from deeper areas using his pace.... that isnt what a RM does. I hate it when people just assume an attacking RB wil be more or just as effective at RM.
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Have you actually watched Leverkusen recently? He hasn't even played at the back. He's been lining up on the right wing a lot of late. At Westham the other week he was often the furthest man forward.
This guy ain't a defender at all. Bit like when Bale started as a LB and soon got moved. Don't see this being any different.
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no he doesnt he usually plays a WB next to a back 3 ... very rarely he will play further forward but only against better opposition away.
he played further forward away against West Ham , he played RWB at home against them.
this season he has played 34 games at RWB and 5 games further ahead of that
Im almost certain I have watched Frimpong on tv and in the flesh more than yourself.
From what I’ve seen he’s joining the attack from deeper to create overloads. Playing higher than a full back in a wing back position, but still overlapping another attacker, is clearly different from being a more advanced winger. Players doing what Bale did are rare, but there’s loads of attacking full backs and wing backs that haven’t been able to become actual wingers.
Using Bale as an example for anyone is silly tbf. Man was a freak
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comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
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city and arsenal have been linked a lot to eze and olise too
I imagine palace sell one this summer
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If Arsenal go out on another splurge, you have to wonder what's going on with FFP because they've plundered a feckin fortune since Arteta came in.
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I'm sure spurs have spent similar amounts, no?
Spurs sold someone for a lot of money last season.
And we have CL revenue this season. So what? They've still spent similar amounts.
I'm far from an expert, but reducing wages counts a lot towards FFP. We have done that previously, with room to get rid of another ~ £1m per week if all the players expected to leave do so in the summer.
Although we have signed players up to big contracts too.
I’m pretty sure Spurs make more money from their gate receipts, they also don’t have loads of players on stupid wages. Kane was homegrown so the sale was 100% profit which can go straight towards transfer funds. We may have reduced our wages but we still have a larger wage bill than Spurs, we also didn’t get out of the group stages of the CL which means we missed out on more money.
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posted on 25/4/24
Apparently Arsenal wanted Martinez for their left back role. I think the issue with two left footers is, as I mentioned, they’re typically more one footed. But there’s probably the issue that because there’s fewer of them, they’ll have trained most of their life to play on the left side, so moving to the other side causes comfort issues, if they’re decent with the other foot. Given right footed cbs are so prominent, you don’t get those issues as often. The comfort thing I think especially important, look at Maguire on the left compared to the right, even though he’s right footed. He’s a lot more comfortable playing on the left as it’s where he’s played most of his career.
posted on 25/4/24
*even if they’re decent with the other foot
posted on 25/4/24
didn't ten hag have a whole thing where he wanted Maguire to start playing on the right? that was very odd
posted on 25/4/24
The strongest rumours about Eze are that he'd prefer a move to Spurs, one for family reasons and two, we have a more settled structure and manager in place who has a clear identity playing attacking football. If you take both of those reasons and throw in that he's represented by CAA BASE, who many Spurs players are with and have a good relationship with the club. The Maddison transfer went through like a breeze, largely because of the agencies involved. If it's a straight fight between Spurs and United, unless you pay him stupid money, he'll prefer us, I'm sure.
posted on 25/4/24
city and arsenal have been linked a lot to eze and olise too
I imagine palace sell one this summer
posted on 25/4/24
Yeah he did. I got it for when he wanted him to play they with Martinez, but they he started playing Lindelof on the left when he got injured. Maguire’s been back on the left in a lot of games this season, though. The weirdest one for me is using AWB at left back instead of Dalot. Dalot is really two footed, and has played left back loads in his career, yet he’s put AWB there since Shaw got injured.
posted on 25/4/24
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
Both talented, and both would be exciting signings, but we simply can't be signing players who seem to pick up regular injuries. That has to be a key part of our recruitment moving forward.
Guehi would be an interesting option though. We need to sign two CB's this summer, both of whom need to be physically dominant, athletic and can cover the ground and play higher up the pitch. Todibo looks an exciting talent, and maybe Guehi could be another option.
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Branthwaite will be high on our list I reckon. He's what we're missing in defence - an absolute physical and athletic monster.
Probably looking at £70m plus but I think he's the type of player we wouldn't mind spending that on.
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what's going on with lisandro? can't stay fit? would be unusual to start two lefties together
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I want to believe his injuries have been bad luck but we can't really take that chance. Plus, I don't think its certain that another manager will want him as a starting CB if we get rid of ETH. Not quite sure where he'd fit in that case. Presumably he would somewhere as he's a very good player - Arsenal wanted him the season we got him, but I don't think as a CB as Saliba/Gabriel's physical presence is quite important to them.
Don't know about them playing together. I've read that Branthwaite played on the right quite a bit when he was at PSV though, so it's possible.
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I'd not be against going and signing two CB's that have the quality to start as a pair (let's say Todibo and Branthwaite for argument's sake), and look to utilise Martinez in other positions when needed. I think he'd make an excellent CDM or could be used as a LB who steps into midfield when he's not at CB. It would be nice to have some proper options at least with a more athletic profile, good fitness records and at ages where they should improve over the coming seasons.
I'm also struggling to see past Amadou Onana as a CM player that would massively improve our athletic and technical qualities at a young age and with plenty of PL and international experience under his belt.
posted on 25/4/24
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 3 minutes ago
city and arsenal have been linked a lot to eze and olise too
I imagine palace sell one this summer
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If Arsenal go out on another splurge, you have to wonder what's going on with FFP because they've plundered a feckin fortune since Arteta came in.
posted on 25/4/24
Don't they both have injury problems? Both very talented but with the limited budget we'll probably have this summer I think we need to look at CB abd CM before any other positions.
posted on 25/4/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yeah he did. I got it for when he wanted him to play they with Martinez, but they he started playing Lindelof on the left when he got injured. Maguire’s been back on the left in a lot of games this season, though. The weirdest one for me is using AWB at left back instead of Dalot. Dalot is really two footed, and has played left back loads in his career, yet he’s put AWB there since Shaw got injured.
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I think AWB was put on the left partly in order to keep some semblance of consistency across the backline, but more likely due to who he would be coming up against initially: Salah twice in quick succession. Then having played him there, kept him there for a bit (but has changed them back around a couple of times now).
posted on 25/4/24
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yeah he did. I got it for when he wanted him to play they with Martinez, but they he started playing Lindelof on the left when he got injured. Maguire’s been back on the left in a lot of games this season, though. The weirdest one for me is using AWB at left back instead of Dalot. Dalot is really two footed, and has played left back loads in his career, yet he’s put AWB there since Shaw got injured.
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I think AWB was put on the left partly in order to keep some semblance of consistency across the backline, but more likely due to who he would be coming up against initially: Salah twice in quick succession. Then having played him there, kept him there for a bit (but has changed them back around a couple of times now).
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He started there before those games, though. Spurs being the first time he played there.
posted on 25/4/24
Frimpong for 35-40m and play him wide right. Plays like a winger anyway.
Stop getting fleeced by middle of the road PL players.
posted on 25/4/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 45 seconds ago
Frimpong for 35-40m and play him wide right. Plays like a winger anyway.
Stop getting fleeced by middle of the road PL players.
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but his best asset is attacking the larger areas in front of him that are vacated, coming from deeper areas using his pace.... that isnt what a RM does. I hate it when people just assume an attacking RB wil be more or just as effective at RM.
posted on 25/4/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 20 minutes ago
Apparently Arsenal wanted Martinez for their left back role. I think the issue with two left footers is, as I mentioned, they’re typically more one footed. But there’s probably the issue that because there’s fewer of them, they’ll have trained most of their life to play on the left side, so moving to the other side causes comfort issues, if they’re decent with the other foot. Given right footed cbs are so prominent, you don’t get those issues as often. The comfort thing I think especially important, look at Maguire on the left compared to the right, even though he’s right footed. He’s a lot more comfortable playing on the left as it’s where he’s played most of his career.
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In the modern game with the emphasis on passing CBs i always feel that a CB in most cases looks more comfortable on their natural side (left footer on left) and this gives them a better range to pass to (accurately) particularly switching play or when under pressure.
I played CB and while I was always happy defending on either side, with the ball at my feet, i always felt as a righty on the left kinda feels like the right side of the pitch is more closed off as a passing option, unless you have loads of time and space. Obvs not a pro player but i think the principle still applies.
posted on 25/4/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 45 seconds ago
Frimpong for 35-40m and play him wide right. Plays like a winger anyway.
Stop getting fleeced by middle of the road PL players.
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but his best asset is attacking the larger areas in front of him that are vacated, coming from deeper areas using his pace.... that isnt what a RM does. I hate it when people just assume an attacking RB wil be more or just as effective at RM.
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Have you actually watched Leverkusen recently? He hasn't even played at the back. He's been lining up on the right wing a lot of late. At Westham the other week he was often the furthest man forward.
This guy ain't a defender at all. Bit like when Bale started as a LB and soon got moved. Don't see this being any different.
posted on 25/4/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 45 seconds ago
Frimpong for 35-40m and play him wide right. Plays like a winger anyway.
Stop getting fleeced by middle of the road PL players.
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but his best asset is attacking the larger areas in front of him that are vacated, coming from deeper areas using his pace.... that isnt what a RM does. I hate it when people just assume an attacking RB wil be more or just as effective at RM.
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Have you actually watched Leverkusen recently? He hasn't even played at the back. He's been lining up on the right wing a lot of late. At Westham the other week he was often the furthest man forward.
This guy ain't a defender at all. Bit like when Bale started as a LB and soon got moved. Don't see this being any different.
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no he doesnt he usually plays a WB next to a back 3 ... very rarely he will play further forward but only against better opposition away.
posted on 25/4/24
he played further forward away against West Ham , he played RWB at home against them.
this season he has played 34 games at RWB and 5 games further ahead of that
posted on 25/4/24
Im almost certain I have watched Frimpong on tv and in the flesh more than yourself.
posted on 25/4/24
From what I’ve seen he’s joining the attack from deeper to create overloads. Playing higher than a full back in a wing back position, but still overlapping another attacker, is clearly different from being a more advanced winger. Players doing what Bale did are rare, but there’s loads of attacking full backs and wing backs that haven’t been able to become actual wingers.
posted on 25/4/24
Using Bale as an example for anyone is silly tbf. Man was a freak
posted on 25/4/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 3 minutes ago
city and arsenal have been linked a lot to eze and olise too
I imagine palace sell one this summer
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If Arsenal go out on another splurge, you have to wonder what's going on with FFP because they've plundered a feckin fortune since Arteta came in.
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I'm sure spurs have spent similar amounts, no?
posted on 25/4/24
Spurs sold someone for a lot of money last season.
posted on 25/4/24
And we have CL revenue this season. So what? They've still spent similar amounts.
posted on 25/4/24
I'm far from an expert, but reducing wages counts a lot towards FFP. We have done that previously, with room to get rid of another ~ £1m per week if all the players expected to leave do so in the summer.
Although we have signed players up to big contracts too.
posted on 25/4/24
I’m pretty sure Spurs make more money from their gate receipts, they also don’t have loads of players on stupid wages. Kane was homegrown so the sale was 100% profit which can go straight towards transfer funds. We may have reduced our wages but we still have a larger wage bill than Spurs, we also didn’t get out of the group stages of the CL which means we missed out on more money.
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