posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
If we hadn't signed Ronaldo, perhaps we'd have bought an alternative centre forward who complemented Sancho's game.
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I think this is the one caveat in my argument - but at the time I don't think we were ever looking at buying another CF, we just got swayed by the romance of Ronaldo.
The plan I think was - and it was a solid one at the time - that Greenwood would be moulded into a CF with Cavani and Martial being the support acts. Obviously we know how that would've panned out. Rashford? Maybe he wouldve had a better season, but I really dont think there's anything firm to base that thinking on given he has been patchy his whole career.
The two player I think it influenced the most were Greenwood and Bruno. And one of them obviously didn't matter in the end.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
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The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
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Well it wasnt at the time. Finishing 2nd then buying Varane ... and then Ronaldo deal although some thought he was past it and a waste of money.... but most United fans was wetting their pants in anticipation of the new season before a ball was kicked. Nobody predicted what would happen
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Well of course it wasn't at the time. But at the time we didn't know what was about to happen with Greenwood, or that Rashford's form would fall off a cliff, or that Sancho wasn't that good, or that a number of key players would be spending so much time injured.
All of these things we completely independent of Ronaldo. I'm inclined to actually think we might have actually ended up worse off that season without him by the end of it.
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I got to agree with you there about that season.
And this is why someone above the manager dealing with transfers and the system we have would have been ideal.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
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Dont tell that to Jim. He purxhased an underforming organisiation and is currently sacking and replacing all the existing and unperforming staff he inherited and starting again with his own crowd. Top to bottom. Which is actually probably a very good idea.
And its looking more like the current team manager is possibly the only one that might survive.
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So far it looks as though he is replacing the leadership that oversaw a dysfunctional organisation that has failed to harness the talent of people like McKenna. And the new leadership will be responsible for creating structures that do leverage the knowledge and talent within the organisation, and for replacing those who underperform. My point isn't that we shouldn't be letting people go, but (and I thought I was agreeing with you in saying this) challenging the idea some people have that we basically need to sack everyone and start again.
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Our transfer dealing and system needs an overhaul.
Most of the time we've ended up paying double or triple the value of players over the last few years
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Tbf Man United alway have.
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I wouldn't say always. We have always overpaid but in recent years the fees for some of the players and been ridiculous even taking into account football inflation.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
And just to add, i don't know if anyone saw Ole's stick to football interview the other week, but he mentioned he had consciously changed approach that season in order become a more dominant team. Again, I'd say that had a bigger impact than the Ronaldo signing.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
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The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
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Well it wasnt at the time. Finishing 2nd then buying Varane ... and then Ronaldo deal although some thought he was past it and a waste of money.... but most United fans was wetting their pants in anticipation of the new season before a ball was kicked. Nobody predicted what would happen
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Well of course it wasn't at the time. But at the time we didn't know what was about to happen with Greenwood, or that Rashford's form would fall off a cliff, or that Sancho wasn't that good, or that a number of key players would be spending so much time injured.
All of these things we completely independent of Ronaldo. I'm inclined to actually think we might have actually ended up worse off that season without him by the end of it.
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Ok it was the rewriting history bit that im challeging. At the time it wasnt the narratiive you were claiming as you now rightly agree.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
Sorry, I'm talking about the narrative I'm seeing pop up now - i.e. Ole was onto something good before Ronaldo came and facked it up. To suggest that is indeed a revision of history I think.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
I anticipated this months ago
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/459386
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
I watched Coventry vs Ipswich last night because (as I've mentioned here before) my dad grew up in Suffolk watching Ipswich. In its own way, this was a higher stakes game for Ipswich than our FA Cup semi-final. Coventry made a spirited effort to push for an equaliser but I have to say, Ipswich did a much better job than United at defending their lead.
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As a dual Madrid/Ipswich fan, it was bigger for me than the CL semis for me. Madrid have won the CL 6 times since Ipswich last played a PL game. Relatively speaking, last night for Ipswich was not all that different to playing a single-leg CL semifinal.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
I watched Coventry vs Ipswich last night because (as I've mentioned here before) my dad grew up in Suffolk watching Ipswich. In its own way, this was a higher stakes game for Ipswich than our FA Cup semi-final. Coventry made a spirited effort to push for an equaliser but I have to say, Ipswich did a much better job than United at defending their lead.
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As a dual Madrid/Ipswich fan, it was bigger for me than the CL semis for me. Madrid have won the CL 6 times since Ipswich last played a PL game. Relatively speaking, last night for Ipswich was not all that different to playing a single-leg CL semifinal.
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IOAG
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
Sorry, I'm talking about the narrative I'm seeing pop up now - i.e. Ole was onto something good before Ronaldo came and facked it up. To suggest that is indeed a revision of history I think.
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Ole was doing well before Ronaldo rocked up. Thats not a rewrite. As yo know. It's whether you believe that the whole Ronaldo think upset the applecart. I peronally think it did contribute massively.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
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Well it wasnt at the time. Finishing 2nd then buying Varane ... and then Ronaldo deal although some thought he was past it and a waste of money.... but most United fans was wetting their pants in anticipation of the new season before a ball was kicked. Nobody predicted what would happen
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Well of course it wasn't at the time. But at the time we didn't know what was about to happen with Greenwood, or that Rashford's form would fall off a cliff, or that Sancho wasn't that good, or that a number of key players would be spending so much time injured.
All of these things we completely independent of Ronaldo. I'm inclined to actually think we might have actually ended up worse off that season without him by the end of it.
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I cant believe any united fan atill hasnt realised what a bad move Ronaldo was yet. And that Sancho was overated at the time and really wasnt going to be a generational talent
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
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Well it wasnt at the time. Finishing 2nd then buying Varane ... and then Ronaldo deal although some thought he was past it and a waste of money.... but most United fans was wetting their pants in anticipation of the new season before a ball was kicked. Nobody predicted what would happen
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Well of course it wasn't at the time. But at the time we didn't know what was about to happen with Greenwood, or that Rashford's form would fall off a cliff, or that Sancho wasn't that good, or that a number of key players would be spending so much time injured.
All of these things we completely independent of Ronaldo. I'm inclined to actually think we might have actually ended up worse off that season without him by the end of it.
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I cant believe any united fan atill hasnt realised what a bad move Ronaldo was yet.
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That isn't what I'm saying.
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posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
If we hadn't signed Ronaldo, perhaps we'd have bought an alternative centre forward who complemented Sancho's game.
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I think this is the one caveat in my argument - but at the time I don't think we were ever looking at buying another CF, we just got swayed by the romance of Ronaldo.
The plan I think was - and it was a solid one at the time - that Greenwood would be moulded into a CF with Cavani and Martial being the support acts. Obviously we know how that would've panned out. Rashford? Maybe he wouldve had a better season, but I really dont think there's anything firm to base that thinking on given he has been patchy his whole career.
The two player I think it influenced the most were Greenwood and Bruno. And one of them obviously didn't matter in the end.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
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Well it wasnt at the time. Finishing 2nd then buying Varane ... and then Ronaldo deal although some thought he was past it and a waste of money.... but most United fans was wetting their pants in anticipation of the new season before a ball was kicked. Nobody predicted what would happen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well of course it wasn't at the time. But at the time we didn't know what was about to happen with Greenwood, or that Rashford's form would fall off a cliff, or that Sancho wasn't that good, or that a number of key players would be spending so much time injured.
All of these things we completely independent of Ronaldo. I'm inclined to actually think we might have actually ended up worse off that season without him by the end of it.
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I got to agree with you there about that season.
And this is why someone above the manager dealing with transfers and the system we have would have been ideal.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dont tell that to Jim. He purxhased an underforming organisiation and is currently sacking and replacing all the existing and unperforming staff he inherited and starting again with his own crowd. Top to bottom. Which is actually probably a very good idea.
And its looking more like the current team manager is possibly the only one that might survive.
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So far it looks as though he is replacing the leadership that oversaw a dysfunctional organisation that has failed to harness the talent of people like McKenna. And the new leadership will be responsible for creating structures that do leverage the knowledge and talent within the organisation, and for replacing those who underperform. My point isn't that we shouldn't be letting people go, but (and I thought I was agreeing with you in saying this) challenging the idea some people have that we basically need to sack everyone and start again.
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Our transfer dealing and system needs an overhaul.
Most of the time we've ended up paying double or triple the value of players over the last few years
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Tbf Man United alway have.
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I wouldn't say always. We have always overpaid but in recent years the fees for some of the players and been ridiculous even taking into account football inflation.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
And just to add, i don't know if anyone saw Ole's stick to football interview the other week, but he mentioned he had consciously changed approach that season in order become a more dominant team. Again, I'd say that had a bigger impact than the Ronaldo signing.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
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Well it wasnt at the time. Finishing 2nd then buying Varane ... and then Ronaldo deal although some thought he was past it and a waste of money.... but most United fans was wetting their pants in anticipation of the new season before a ball was kicked. Nobody predicted what would happen
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Well of course it wasn't at the time. But at the time we didn't know what was about to happen with Greenwood, or that Rashford's form would fall off a cliff, or that Sancho wasn't that good, or that a number of key players would be spending so much time injured.
All of these things we completely independent of Ronaldo. I'm inclined to actually think we might have actually ended up worse off that season without him by the end of it.
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Ok it was the rewriting history bit that im challeging. At the time it wasnt the narratiive you were claiming as you now rightly agree.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
Sorry, I'm talking about the narrative I'm seeing pop up now - i.e. Ole was onto something good before Ronaldo came and facked it up. To suggest that is indeed a revision of history I think.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
I anticipated this months ago
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/459386
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
I watched Coventry vs Ipswich last night because (as I've mentioned here before) my dad grew up in Suffolk watching Ipswich. In its own way, this was a higher stakes game for Ipswich than our FA Cup semi-final. Coventry made a spirited effort to push for an equaliser but I have to say, Ipswich did a much better job than United at defending their lead.
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As a dual Madrid/Ipswich fan, it was bigger for me than the CL semis for me. Madrid have won the CL 6 times since Ipswich last played a PL game. Relatively speaking, last night for Ipswich was not all that different to playing a single-leg CL semifinal.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
I watched Coventry vs Ipswich last night because (as I've mentioned here before) my dad grew up in Suffolk watching Ipswich. In its own way, this was a higher stakes game for Ipswich than our FA Cup semi-final. Coventry made a spirited effort to push for an equaliser but I have to say, Ipswich did a much better job than United at defending their lead.
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As a dual Madrid/Ipswich fan, it was bigger for me than the CL semis for me. Madrid have won the CL 6 times since Ipswich last played a PL game. Relatively speaking, last night for Ipswich was not all that different to playing a single-leg CL semifinal.
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IOAG
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
Sorry, I'm talking about the narrative I'm seeing pop up now - i.e. Ole was onto something good before Ronaldo came and facked it up. To suggest that is indeed a revision of history I think.
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Ole was doing well before Ronaldo rocked up. Thats not a rewrite. As yo know. It's whether you believe that the whole Ronaldo think upset the applecart. I peronally think it did contribute massively.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it wasnt at the time. Finishing 2nd then buying Varane ... and then Ronaldo deal although some thought he was past it and a waste of money.... but most United fans was wetting their pants in anticipation of the new season before a ball was kicked. Nobody predicted what would happen
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Well of course it wasn't at the time. But at the time we didn't know what was about to happen with Greenwood, or that Rashford's form would fall off a cliff, or that Sancho wasn't that good, or that a number of key players would be spending so much time injured.
All of these things we completely independent of Ronaldo. I'm inclined to actually think we might have actually ended up worse off that season without him by the end of it.
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I cant believe any united fan atill hasnt realised what a bad move Ronaldo was yet. And that Sancho was overated at the time and really wasnt going to be a generational talent
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it wasnt at the time. Finishing 2nd then buying Varane ... and then Ronaldo deal although some thought he was past it and a waste of money.... but most United fans was wetting their pants in anticipation of the new season before a ball was kicked. Nobody predicted what would happen
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Well of course it wasn't at the time. But at the time we didn't know what was about to happen with Greenwood, or that Rashford's form would fall off a cliff, or that Sancho wasn't that good, or that a number of key players would be spending so much time injured.
All of these things we completely independent of Ronaldo. I'm inclined to actually think we might have actually ended up worse off that season without him by the end of it.
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I cant believe any united fan atill hasnt realised what a bad move Ronaldo was yet.
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That isn't what I'm saying.
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