There is no way anyone can be calling for Ange out at this stage. Yes results have not been great in the last few months but this is a rebuild. Show me a manager who walked in and changed things in 1 year.

We can all see the issues. What Ange gets judged on is if he can address the issues. You don tjust chuck someone out at the first real sign of adversity, unless he uas lost the players. Part of that is personnel but part is also his ability to coach.

Poch was dealt an expensive but shiiit hand and has suffered with injuries. He has done OK in the circumstances and looks like he's turned a corner, to take positives in to next season..

I'd give Ange 6.5 out of 10 and Poch 6.

Both better than ETH who I'd give 4.5.

Poch has had the better season, yes. Not going to be many points in it to be honest, I think they'll finish 6th so both ourselves and them should end up with Europa.

They've probably had more of the season I expected us to have; struggling in the league under a new manager for the first half before starting to find their feet by the end of it, and going far into the cups. We've done the polar opposite of that. They are going into next season more optimistic while we're are going into it losing our shiiit about whether our manager is good enough.

Poch also had a better first season with Spurs too.

Comparing noble Ange to that Rat Bottler Z z z.

There are quite a few parallels with Emery's first season at Arsenal. The great start, the impressive attacking football, the "we got our ... back", the failure to get top 4.
Behind the scenes issues with those above him, players losing faith in his "way", and an awful start to the second season followed. Your man needs to avoid these, although it is clear he and some players don't share the same ideals, he doesn't feel many fit his way of playing, and he has tough to work people above him.

He has a tough job to ensure he doesn't go the same way as Emery at Arsenal.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 41 minutes ago
There is no way anyone can be calling for Ange out at this stage.

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And yet plenty of Spurs fans are, because guess what, people can have different opinions.

What is Ange showing you exactly that you keep defending him like this?

I think both are having pretty poor seasons, but I think Poch is the better manager.

Ange has shown us at times a brand of football which is in line with the Tottenham way. With the right players and a few more windows or even a few more years, the club will be a better place.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think both are having pretty poor seasons, but I think Poch is the better manager.
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Six years he had with us. Yes there were good times but 6 years is long enough for any project. Him crying at the semi final in Ajax exposed who is truly is. A loser. We never had a chance in the final. All his press conferences leading up to the final were negative and never gave anyone any hope.

6 years and zero trophies with Kane, Dembele, Son, Eriksen, Toby, Jan, Rose, Walker ect. What a dissappointng project that was.

comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think both are having pretty poor seasons, but I think Poch is the better manager.
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Six years he had with us. Yes there were good times but 6 years is long enough for any project. Him crying at the semi final in Ajax exposed who is truly is. A loser. We never had a chance in the final. All his press conferences leading up to the final were negative and never gave anyone any hope.

6 years and zero trophies with Kane, Dembele, Son, Eriksen, Toby, Jan, Rose, Walker ect. What a dissappointng project that was.
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Hasn’t Ange just lost four games on the bounce? Our worst run in the league since 2004.

Yes he has. Sack him the Sizz. So what?!

comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes he has. Sack him the Sizz. So what?!
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So what? Do better, that’s what.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes he has. Sack him the Sizz. So what?!
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So what? Do better, that’s what.
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Ok next time I see him, I will him about an Internet fan who doesn't watch the games and reads Spurs updates from the guardian newspaper, 'to do better' 👍🏻.

comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes he has. Sack him the Sizz. So what?!
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So what? Do better, that’s what.
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Ok next time I see him, I will him about an Internet fan who doesn't watch the games and reads Spurs updates from the guardian newspaper, 'to do better' 👍🏻.
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Glad I didn’t watch it.

tbh I'd say Poch, but only because Chelsea is a madhouse. The football at Chelsea is definitely improving, which is something wizarding Graham Potter never managed. Nevertheless Poch will probably get the sack anyway, adding another few gazillions to the money wasted.

comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 17 seconds ago
tbh I'd say Poch, but only because Chelsea is a madhouse. The football at Chelsea is definitely improving, which is something wizarding Graham Potter never managed. Nevertheless Poch will probably get the sack anyway, adding another few gazillions to the money wasted.
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Can you even afford to sack him?

Poch is by far the better manager. Even with two season of zero backing he still managed to get a champions league final.

Some on here were writing letters to the chairman demanding he be sacked after a bad run. Now we are demanding to back a manager who has just lost 4 on the bounce for the first time in 20 years of our history

We have never recovered from the disastrous decision to sack Poch and replace him with Jose.

I fully expect Chelsea to finish above spurs next year if nothing changes.

There is simply too much change required at spurs to make Ange work. Levy will not sanction it. Ange will be gone by Christmas.

comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 25 seconds ago
Poch is by far the better manager. Even with two season of zero backing he still managed to get a champions league final.

Some on here were writing letters to the chairman demanding he be sacked after a bad run. Now we are demanding to back a manager who has just lost 4 on the bounce for the first time in 20 years of our history

We have never recovered from the disastrous decision to sack Poch and replace him with Jose.

I fully expect Chelsea to finish above spurs next year if nothing changes.

There is simply too much change required at spurs to make Ange work. Levy will not sanction it. Ange will be gone by Christmas.
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comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think both are having pretty poor seasons, but I think Poch is the better manager.
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Six years he had with us. Yes there were good times but 6 years is long enough for any project. Him crying at the semi final in Ajax exposed who is truly is. A loser. We never had a chance in the final. All his press conferences leading up to the final were negative and never gave anyone any hope.

6 years and zero trophies with Kane, Dembele, Son, Eriksen, Toby, Jan, Rose, Walker ect. What a dissappointng project that was.
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We needed that extra bit of added strength in the squad to go to the next level which as we know Poch didn't get. That's why we ultimately came close but got no cigar. We got Sissoko when we could have had Mane ffs and we know about his contribution in the CL final.

I know people feel betrayed by Poch going to a rival but there's no need to start rewriting history to make him the man responsible for the failings.

Anyway, Poch got the 6 years because of what he did in the second season, then what he did in the third season etc.. We need Ange to deliver something similar. Ange needs to earn that time. He should get next season because he's a new manager and still moulding the team to how he likes, but he doesn't have much credit in the bank from this season. Getting Europa was pretty much the least he could have done.

comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 17 seconds ago
tbh I'd say Poch, but only because Chelsea is a madhouse. The football at Chelsea is definitely improving, which is something wizarding Graham Potter never managed. Nevertheless Poch will probably get the sack anyway, adding another few gazillions to the money wasted.
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Can you even afford to sack him?
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I'm not that kind of blue! They'd probably have to sell Gallagher to afford it but anything's possible there.

The idea that Spurs would sack a manager for finishing 5th shows that expectation is too high.

The fact that we absolutely have to stick with Ange stems from the abject failure to back very good managers in the last five years.

Now we’ve got Ange (who the jury is out for me, I can see why people would want him out completely) and because we’ve chopped and changed, we cannot do that now. I’m not sure this was the guy we should be sticking by but because we haven’t stuck by any, we now have to.

What will happen is that we will get 7 or 8 players instead of 3 or 4 of quality. Some of the 8 will be good but not great and we will be around where we are now, this time next year.

We spend money.
Mourinho got 7 or 8 players.
Conte got 7 or 8 players.

I think the current squad suits Conte system. Which shows again that we are always playing catch-up with players to suit a manager - another reason to stick with Ange.

comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 43 minutes ago
Poch is by far the better manager. Even with two season of zero backing he still managed to get a champions league final.

Some on here were writing letters to the chairman demanding he be sacked after a bad run. Now we are demanding to back a manager who has just lost 4 on the bounce for the first time in 20 years of our history

We have never recovered from the disastrous decision to sack Poch and replace him with Jose.

I fully expect Chelsea to finish above spurs next year if nothing changes.

There is simply too much change required at spurs to make Ange work. Levy will not sanction it. Ange will be gone by Christmas.
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Chelsea will be miles better than us in the next couple of seasons.

comment by Jordan Love MVP (U9335)
posted 27 minutes ago
The idea that Spurs would sack a manager for finishing 5th shows that expectation is too high.
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Spurs won’t sack him, nor should they. Most fans don’t want him sacked but the last 4 weeks has been alarmingly bad and even the wins since January have been fortuitous.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes he has. Sack him the Sizz. So what?!
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So what? Do better, that’s what.
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Bring in Moyes

comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 43 minutes ago
Poch is by far the better manager. Even with two season of zero backing he still managed to get a champions league final.

Some on here were writing letters to the chairman demanding he be sacked after a bad run. Now we are demanding to back a manager who has just lost 4 on the bounce for the first time in 20 years of our history

We have never recovered from the disastrous decision to sack Poch and replace him with Jose.

I fully expect Chelsea to finish above spurs next year if nothing changes.

There is simply too much change required at spurs to make Ange work. Levy will not sanction it. Ange will be gone by Christmas.
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Chelsea will be miles better than us in the next couple of seasons.
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Not sure about that. Hard to see how they can avoid financial problems with their player contracts. They really need a lot of success on the pitch and quickly.