comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Its not far off with the weekly overtime payment tbf.
More like £95-96k.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 30 minutes ago
When the average nurse earns about £37k and teacher £36k, the disparity is huge, thus the willingness to cave to train drivers, no strings, weeks into their terms shows weakness and, of course, points to the control the unions have over this Government.
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I hear you, Join a Union.
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More like, don't bother going to Uni racking up debt and aiming for a top profession, just be a working class train driver and take home £100k, retire at 60 with a final salary pension. Might even be able to afford to put your kids at private school too, but what's the point, just enroll them on a train drivers course as soon as they're old enough
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Yup that's an alternative.
Though it does read a bit sneering.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 12 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Don't let the facts get in the way of a strong opinion.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 30 minutes ago
When the average nurse earns about £37k and teacher £36k, the disparity is huge, thus the willingness to cave to train drivers, no strings, weeks into their terms shows weakness and, of course, points to the control the unions have over this Government.
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I hear you, Join a Union.
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More like, don't bother going to Uni racking up debt and aiming for a top profession, just be a working class train driver and take home £100k, retire at 60 with a final salary pension. Might even be able to afford to put your kids at private school too, but what's the point, just enroll them on a train drivers course as soon as they're old enough
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Yup that's an alternative.
Though it does read a bit sneering.
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Not intended to be sneery, but as i said at the start of this whole conversation, perceptions can be misleading and inaccurate.
Train drivers as a unionised 'working class' profession are perceived as being as deserving of full pay rises as others who have gone on strike - Jnr docs, teachers, nhs staff. The reality is that they are very well paid and far more care should have been taken in negotiating their no strings deal, not just because of the cost but also the message it sends.
What do you think the Unions learned about negotiating with this Govt. Stand fast and they'll bend over. Striking works. etc
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
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This is the link you provided.
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
It clearly says the average is £69k and change.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
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Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
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Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
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Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
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Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
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Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
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Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks’ (U22336)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
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Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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I havent said all train drivers earn £100k....but its possible.
The average is £69k before OT. Of course being an average some earn more than that and some earn less but the ones earning less will be the ones with no experience who will be on track for much much more in time.
£24-25K starting salary in most careers is pretty average and where trainees have a 1- 2 year training period, its pretty accessible and are paid as you learn, as opposed to say post-grad teacher training which costs about £10k a year!
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
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Cool, you take an estimated average as fact then chuck a load of plucked from the air overtime to round up to a figure that suits
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
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Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
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Indeed, it's simple maths.
Taking the average of £69k (some earn well in to the £80ks)
and £600 per day overtime. lest call it 6 weeks holiday and 2 weeks bank hols. 44 weeks when one can work an extra (5th) day a week. about another £26,500 a year. So that's about £95k working off the average. No doubt more for bank holidays etc
Dev
"More like, don't bother going to Uni racking up debt and aiming for a top profession, just be a working class train driver and take home £100k,"
You didn't mean all drivers but meant on (estimated) average with possible (not guaranteed) overtime above?
Cool
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£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
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Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
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Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
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Indeed, it's simple maths.
Taking the average of £69k (some earn well in to the £80ks)
and £600 per day overtime. lest call it 6 weeks holiday and 2 weeks bank hols. 44 weeks when one can work an extra (5th) day a week. about another £26,500 a year. So that's about £95k working off the average. No doubt more for bank holidays etc
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Take home apparently, not a penny in tax paid on any of that
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£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
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Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
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Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
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Indeed, it's simple maths.
Taking the average of £69k (some earn well in to the £80ks)
and £600 per day overtime. lest call it 6 weeks holiday and 2 weeks bank hols. 44 weeks when one can work an extra (5th) day a week. about another £26,500 a year. So that's about £95k working off the average. No doubt more for bank holidays etc
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Yeah I came out with the same figure.
Like you said pretty simple maths.
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£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
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Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
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Indeed, it's simple maths.
Taking the average of £69k (some earn well in to the £80ks)
and £600 per day overtime. lest call it 6 weeks holiday and 2 weeks bank hols. 44 weeks when one can work an extra (5th) day a week. about another £26,500 a year. So that's about £95k working off the average. No doubt more for bank holidays etc
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Take home apparently, not a penny in tax paid on any of that
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£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
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Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
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Indeed, it's simple maths.
Taking the average of £69k (some earn well in to the £80ks)
and £600 per day overtime. lest call it 6 weeks holiday and 2 weeks bank hols. 44 weeks when one can work an extra (5th) day a week. about another £26,500 a year. So that's about £95k working off the average. No doubt more for bank holidays etc
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Take home apparently, not a penny in tax paid on any of that
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"More like, don't bother going to Uni racking up debt and aiming for a top profession, just be a working class train driver and take home £100k,"
IKR
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posted 4 minutes ago
Dev
"More like, don't bother going to Uni racking up debt and aiming for a top profession, just be a working class train driver and take home £100k,"
You didn't mean all drivers but meant on (estimated) average with possible (not guaranteed) overtime above?
Cool
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You're deflecting here mate.
My comment was a bit tongue in cheek but borne from facts that you can earn +£100k a a train driver.
My overall point has been all along that you will find little sympathy with a view that drivers are deserving of such high pay and such fulsome pay reviews in a climate where "tough decisions" are having to be made by this Government.
You cannot argue that £69k average salary isnt very high. Its somewhere in the region of £20-25k more than the average teachers salary and about |£30k more than the average nurse's salary.
It is closer to the average GPs salary....a GP BTW needing a 5 year medical course, 2 year foundation course and 3 year specialist training before they practice as a GP.
I really do not understand why you are defending this position so vehemently. There's been no "tough decision" made here by the Govt, and not only did they agree to the pay but it was no strings. No need to modernise the system, committing the Govt to ongoing rising costs of running our railways, at the expense of the public purse, with no plan to modernise to make it more efficient and cost effective.
As I said in an earlier post, no business would operate like this in such times.
Dev
That £69k is an estimated average dependant on numerous factors such as experience, location or company. I'd bet the reality is much lower than that figure. Either way why is that figure high in your opinion?
Comparing to nurses or teachers is daft and you know it.
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posted 4 minutes ago
Dev
That £69k is an estimated average dependant on numerous factors such as experience, location or company. I'd bet the reality is much lower than that figure. Either way why is that figure high in your opinion?
Comparing to nurses or teachers is daft and you know it.
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It's a fecking average. and it's this Government's data.
No offence but i'd take that over your "i'd bet the reality is..." plucking figures from nowhere.
Stop ignoring the facts in front of you.
Is £69k a fecking hell of a lot or not?
If this Govt are making tough decisions, like hiking NI on employers or doing away with the WFP, do you not think raising train drivers av. wage from £62k to £69k and back dating it all while not committing to modernising the system is not dodging a tough decision? Or do tough decisions only apply to the private sector and businesses?
Dev
No offence but i'd take that over your "i'd bet the reality is..." plucking figures from nowhere.
OK Mr '£100k take home'
Why is £69k too much in your opinion?
Dev
If pay is higher in two regions does that bring the national average up or down?
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posted on 15/10/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Its not far off with the weekly overtime payment tbf.
More like £95-96k.
posted on 15/10/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 30 minutes ago
When the average nurse earns about £37k and teacher £36k, the disparity is huge, thus the willingness to cave to train drivers, no strings, weeks into their terms shows weakness and, of course, points to the control the unions have over this Government.
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I hear you, Join a Union.
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More like, don't bother going to Uni racking up debt and aiming for a top profession, just be a working class train driver and take home £100k, retire at 60 with a final salary pension. Might even be able to afford to put your kids at private school too, but what's the point, just enroll them on a train drivers course as soon as they're old enough
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Yup that's an alternative.
Though it does read a bit sneering.
posted on 15/10/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 12 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Don't let the facts get in the way of a strong opinion.
posted on 15/10/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
posted on 15/10/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 30 minutes ago
When the average nurse earns about £37k and teacher £36k, the disparity is huge, thus the willingness to cave to train drivers, no strings, weeks into their terms shows weakness and, of course, points to the control the unions have over this Government.
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I hear you, Join a Union.
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More like, don't bother going to Uni racking up debt and aiming for a top profession, just be a working class train driver and take home £100k, retire at 60 with a final salary pension. Might even be able to afford to put your kids at private school too, but what's the point, just enroll them on a train drivers course as soon as they're old enough
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Yup that's an alternative.
Though it does read a bit sneering.
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Not intended to be sneery, but as i said at the start of this whole conversation, perceptions can be misleading and inaccurate.
Train drivers as a unionised 'working class' profession are perceived as being as deserving of full pay rises as others who have gone on strike - Jnr docs, teachers, nhs staff. The reality is that they are very well paid and far more care should have been taken in negotiating their no strings deal, not just because of the cost but also the message it sends.
What do you think the Unions learned about negotiating with this Govt. Stand fast and they'll bend over. Striking works. etc
posted on 15/10/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
posted on 15/10/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
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This is the link you provided.
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
It clearly says the average is £69k and change.
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
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Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
posted on 15/10/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
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Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
posted on 15/10/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
posted on 15/10/24
comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks’ (U22336)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
posted on 15/10/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks’ (U22336)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
posted on 15/10/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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I havent said all train drivers earn £100k....but its possible.
The average is £69k before OT. Of course being an average some earn more than that and some earn less but the ones earning less will be the ones with no experience who will be on track for much much more in time.
£24-25K starting salary in most careers is pretty average and where trainees have a 1- 2 year training period, its pretty accessible and are paid as you learn, as opposed to say post-grad teacher training which costs about £10k a year!
posted on 15/10/24
comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks’ (U22336)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks’ (U22336)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
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Cool, you take an estimated average as fact then chuck a load of plucked from the air overtime to round up to a figure that suits
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comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks’ (U22336)
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
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Indeed, it's simple maths.
Taking the average of £69k (some earn well in to the £80ks)
and £600 per day overtime. lest call it 6 weeks holiday and 2 weeks bank hols. 44 weeks when one can work an extra (5th) day a week. about another £26,500 a year. So that's about £95k working off the average. No doubt more for bank holidays etc
posted on 15/10/24
Dev
"More like, don't bother going to Uni racking up debt and aiming for a top profession, just be a working class train driver and take home £100k,"
You didn't mean all drivers but meant on (estimated) average with possible (not guaranteed) overtime above?
Cool
posted on 15/10/24
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comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks&rs... (U22336)
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks’ (U22336)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
----------------------------------------------------------------------
69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed, it's simple maths.
Taking the average of £69k (some earn well in to the £80ks)
and £600 per day overtime. lest call it 6 weeks holiday and 2 weeks bank hols. 44 weeks when one can work an extra (5th) day a week. about another £26,500 a year. So that's about £95k working off the average. No doubt more for bank holidays etc
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Take home apparently, not a penny in tax paid on any of that
posted on 15/10/24
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posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks&rs... (U22336)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks’ (U22336)
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
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Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
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Indeed, it's simple maths.
Taking the average of £69k (some earn well in to the £80ks)
and £600 per day overtime. lest call it 6 weeks holiday and 2 weeks bank hols. 44 weeks when one can work an extra (5th) day a week. about another £26,500 a year. So that's about £95k working off the average. No doubt more for bank holidays etc
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Yeah I came out with the same figure.
Like you said pretty simple maths.
posted on 15/10/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
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comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks’ (U22336)
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£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
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Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
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Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
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Indeed, it's simple maths.
Taking the average of £69k (some earn well in to the £80ks)
and £600 per day overtime. lest call it 6 weeks holiday and 2 weeks bank hols. 44 weeks when one can work an extra (5th) day a week. about another £26,500 a year. So that's about £95k working off the average. No doubt more for bank holidays etc
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Take home apparently, not a penny in tax paid on any of that
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posted on 15/10/24
comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks’ (U22336)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks&rs... (U22336)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The artist formally known as ‘Pranks’ (U22336)
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
£100k
https://inews.co.uk/news/train-driver-salaries-strikes-end-deal-3283102
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Yeah 69K is the average so i guess you understand what an average is, some will earn more others less. Overtime for train drivers is also paid at about £600 per day and a driver can take their wages to 6 figures
Most operators work on the basis of a 35 hour week, on a 4 day week. That's less than nurses/most nhs staff etc, comfortably less than a teacher
https://www.thetimes.com/article/avanti-train-drivers-on-track-for-100k-pay-in-overtime-deal-chn3ss3gm#:~:text=Intercity%20train%20operator%20Avanti%20has,seeks%20to%20improve%20service%20levels.
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The article I posted stated two averages, 60k and 48k (Reed) but mentioned low starting wages of 22-30k. It also mentions higher wages being paid to experienced drivers. Take into account higher wages paid in London and Scotland taking the nationwide average artificially higher. Realistically the true average is probably between 30-45k across the board. Accounting for overtime as 'could earn' isn't guaranteed income. It's dependant on circumstance and availability. Shouldn't everyone be paid for overtime worked though?
You're comparing the hours of a, mostly, private sector job with those of two public sector jobs, nurses and teachers, that are completely different.
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Spin it how you like mate. Your cited article says:
"If taking the figures from Government data, the new average salary for a train driver is estimated to be approximately £69,000 in 2024/25.
This figure, however, does not include any amount paid during overtime hours."
Dem's da facts i'm going with. What the Govt have said
Essentially train drivers are not private sector jobs as the trains are operated on a management contract basis. So the operator runs the trains on behalf of the government for a fixed fee. All revenue received goes to the government, and all expenses are borne by the government....the Govt are covering massive shortfalls - billions each year! Its not nationalised but its not really a franchise either.
In this scenario, the cost of train drivers and the their additional pay is borne by the Govt/taxpayer, and is not related to performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate you're taking an average and applying it to all. Then you're throwing in an extra 31k in overtime to inflate the figures. Its tabloid tactics and not a true reflection of real life.
Its also not comparable to the hours, wages or conditions of nurses and teachers.
Why does how much train drivers are paid bother you so much?
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you have been done.
The info is in the link you provided
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69k doesn't apply yet and it the new deal, read what it says again
'Estimated to be £69,000 from 2024/25'
Either way nowhere near the £100k Dev obviously made up.
Weren't you crying about me pointacoring with Boris the other day, FFS Pranks
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Point scoring😆 you provided the link ffs
The 100k figure looks about right when you take into consideration the overtime allowances.
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Indeed, it's simple maths.
Taking the average of £69k (some earn well in to the £80ks)
and £600 per day overtime. lest call it 6 weeks holiday and 2 weeks bank hols. 44 weeks when one can work an extra (5th) day a week. about another £26,500 a year. So that's about £95k working off the average. No doubt more for bank holidays etc
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Take home apparently, not a penny in tax paid on any of that
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"More like, don't bother going to Uni racking up debt and aiming for a top profession, just be a working class train driver and take home £100k,"
IKR
posted on 15/10/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
Dev
"More like, don't bother going to Uni racking up debt and aiming for a top profession, just be a working class train driver and take home £100k,"
You didn't mean all drivers but meant on (estimated) average with possible (not guaranteed) overtime above?
Cool
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You're deflecting here mate.
My comment was a bit tongue in cheek but borne from facts that you can earn +£100k a a train driver.
My overall point has been all along that you will find little sympathy with a view that drivers are deserving of such high pay and such fulsome pay reviews in a climate where "tough decisions" are having to be made by this Government.
You cannot argue that £69k average salary isnt very high. Its somewhere in the region of £20-25k more than the average teachers salary and about |£30k more than the average nurse's salary.
It is closer to the average GPs salary....a GP BTW needing a 5 year medical course, 2 year foundation course and 3 year specialist training before they practice as a GP.
I really do not understand why you are defending this position so vehemently. There's been no "tough decision" made here by the Govt, and not only did they agree to the pay but it was no strings. No need to modernise the system, committing the Govt to ongoing rising costs of running our railways, at the expense of the public purse, with no plan to modernise to make it more efficient and cost effective.
As I said in an earlier post, no business would operate like this in such times.
posted on 15/10/24
Dev
That £69k is an estimated average dependant on numerous factors such as experience, location or company. I'd bet the reality is much lower than that figure. Either way why is that figure high in your opinion?
Comparing to nurses or teachers is daft and you know it.
posted on 15/10/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
Dev
That £69k is an estimated average dependant on numerous factors such as experience, location or company. I'd bet the reality is much lower than that figure. Either way why is that figure high in your opinion?
Comparing to nurses or teachers is daft and you know it.
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It's a fecking average. and it's this Government's data.
No offence but i'd take that over your "i'd bet the reality is..." plucking figures from nowhere.
Stop ignoring the facts in front of you.
Is £69k a fecking hell of a lot or not?
If this Govt are making tough decisions, like hiking NI on employers or doing away with the WFP, do you not think raising train drivers av. wage from £62k to £69k and back dating it all while not committing to modernising the system is not dodging a tough decision? Or do tough decisions only apply to the private sector and businesses?
posted on 15/10/24
Dev
No offence but i'd take that over your "i'd bet the reality is..." plucking figures from nowhere.
OK Mr '£100k take home'
Why is £69k too much in your opinion?
posted on 15/10/24
Dev
If pay is higher in two regions does that bring the national average up or down?
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