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posted on 17/9/24

comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 3 minutes ago
he aint gonna drop Romero

dont rate him defensively but we need to find a way to make all the defenders better as a unit
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Agreed, but that probably means dropping the high line - which he won’t.

Also means carrying out training to defend corners - which he seems bizarrely reluctant to do.

We have an aerial problem at the back - VDV, Udogie and Porro are poor in the air. Dravidian is very good but doesn’t start games. Vic is a disaster aerially, his one real weakness.

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
To a degree yes.

But Spurs and Argentina pick Romero because he is a top level defender who is comfortable on the ball and these fit our tactics.

He fits our tactics, he just has switched off 3 times and it's cost us 3 goals. If this was Dier, jeez wlhe would have been driven out of THFC by an angry mob.

I would play Drag vs Coventry with VDV, and Qarabag. May be he can stake a claim.
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Romero needs dropping, you’re absolutely correct that if it was Dier then the crowd would be on his back - so why let Romero off.

It’s the same as the Bentancur/Bissouma incident - Bissouma does something stupid and we self sanctioning him with a 1 match ban with Ange slating him in public. Bentancur makes an allegedly racist remark on TV which he is now being charged with and facing a potential 6 match ban and Ange said faaaack all at the time.

He def has his favourites and treats them accordingly

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 17/9/24

high line to an extent is fine but the whole back 4 need to know what theyre doing and the midfield and defensive need to press in unison

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ras Clar Teta (U22980)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
Postacogalu says he always wins things in the 2nd year
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That’s true of his career so far - he has his work cut out this time.

All eyes on Wednesday for me - needs a strong line up, we desperately need a win as we have forgotten how to win games.

The league campaign is already dead in terms of title winning miracles - so it comes back to our old friend choice - finish 6th and win faaaack all or finish 12th and try and win a cup - I’d much rather the latter, but I’ve seen this all before.

Next 3 are massive, he has to win them all I think - Cov (A) Brentford (H) Qarabag (H)

3 away on the bounce after that where I fear for Ange
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On paper it's a nice run to get us back on track and a bit of confidence. Don't want to contemplate the fall out if we drop any points in these.
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I’m not sure going away to Coventry before a slug fest at home to Brentford is a nice run.

Cov have been to Wembley twice in the last couple of years. They scared the shiete out of United last April. It’s a free hit for them and they know all they have to do is sit deep, deny us space, hit us on the counter and get all of their big boys in the box for a corner.

That will be a physical game. Then we play probably the nearest equivalent of Coventry in the Premier league - Brentford will sit back, deny us space, hit us on the counter with Wissa and Mbuemo and then get all their big boys in the box for corners.

Qarabag we will beat comfortably.

It’s going to be tough for Ange this. Then the following week is United (A) Ferencvaros (A) Brighton (A)

Schitt or bust time for Ange
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I expect us to beat Coventry, what with them being a championship side.

But ad with any game this season, where we have averaged over 65% possession overall, it will rely on us making the best of our openings and avoiding defensive errors. Do that and we should progress with out much drama.
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Have you seen our cup record the last 5 seasons away to Championship sides? We lose this sort of tie routinely.

If your Coventry, you probably can’t think of better circumstances in which to play us. No tactical masterclass needed - just sit back and wait for corners, then load it up with your 6 footers against our garden gnomes.

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
high line to an extent is fine but the whole back 4 need to know what theyre doing and the midfield and defensive need to press in unison
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Is the high line fine? Genuinely is it.


VDV and Udogie are fine with it as they were bought for that purpose. Romero never looks comfortable and Dragusin looks like a fish out of water when I see him in it. Porro has adjusted well to be fair.

The high line contributed towards our injury situation last year and despite fewer goals conceded this year, I’ve not seen a defensive improvement - Everton got in a couple of times but fluffed their lines.

The midfield press - Bentancur and Biss have started 1 game together all season so far. Fitness and disciplinary records of those 2 are beyond abysmal - Darren Anderton would blush. That lack of reliability really hurts us

posted on 17/9/24

When you have a quivering wreck of a goalie, is it any wonder Spurs concede so many from set pieces or high balls into the box. Definitely Vicario needs upgrading sooner rather than later. He's worse than the final days of Lloris.

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 17/9/24

surely we can work on Vicario being able to claim stuff

we could use better back up but the squad has had loads of money spent on it and we could really use these players to work out and be trained to do more of the basics

posted on 17/9/24

comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
When you have a quivering wreck of a goalie, is it any wonder Spurs concede so many from set pieces or high balls into the box. Definitely Vicario needs upgrading sooner rather than later. He's worse than the final days of Lloris.
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It’s his only real weakness, he is one of the best shot stoppers I have seen, unbelievable reflexes.

We cannot continue with him and that defence though - it’s aerially abysmal. VDV lacks one thing defensively - aerial ability. Udogie and Porro are midgets at Prem level. Dragusin is formidable in the air but is picking splinters out his Aris most games so no use.

Something has to give there - we either replace Vic, or we change that back 4 for one that is more convincing aerially.

I would like to see Ange try a 3-4-3 with these players and have all of Dragusin, Romero and VDV starting - that would help defensively. Play Udogie and Porro as wing backs rather than inverting and contesting all the time. Single pivot in Midfield - Biss is marginally more reliable than Bentancur and have Maddison starting for now. Then the ever rotating 3 forwards combination.


From corners, Solanke, Romero, VDV give us great height - so does Bentancur, so maybe he should start over Biss.

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 2 minutes ago
surely we can work on Vicario being able to claim stuff

we could use better back up but the squad has had loads of money spent on it and we could really use these players to work out and be trained to do more of the basics


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It’s incredibly basic thing we’re falling down on but the manager doesn’t train it, he has said so himself. When you look at our side - we’re not the smallest, but we have very little aerial ability - Romero, Dragusin, Bentancur, Richy and Solanke - at best 3 of those start for us and Bentancur will be banned/injured/both soon enough.

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 17/9/24

do all the best teams not play a high line most of the time?

i would agree in a big game you should dial it down a bit

we do need more steel and leadership in the spine of the team.

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 17/9/24

so predictable theyd score from a corner though. we conceded most goals from them and they scored most goals from them last season i think , its frustrating cause until sunday we did look a bit better at defending them

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 3 minutes ago
he aint gonna drop Romero

dont rate him defensively but we need to find a way to make all the defenders better as a unit
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Agreed, but that probably means dropping the high line - which he won’t.

Also means carrying out training to defend corners - which he seems bizarrely reluctant to do.

We have an aerial problem at the back - VDV, Udogie and Porro are poor in the air. Dravidian is very good but doesn’t start games. Vic is a disaster aerially, his one real weakness.
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Dropping the high line????

You are just showing you do not understand football. The high line underpins everything that a pressing team does.

You are advocating we play like we did under Conte. drop deep, concede possession, look to counter. And what will that resut in? more pressure, more balls into the box...and what have we been poor at this season? defending balls into the box.

We have moved away from that and the issues we have had this season have not been about the high line. Did the high line cost us vs Arsenal?

What we have needs refining. Brighton play a high line...is Dunk a speed merchant? Is Stones a speedster for City.

You think the whole system needs changing because 1 CB isnt lightning fast.

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 17 minutes ago
do all the best teams not play a high line most of the time?

i would agree in a big game you should dial it down a bit

we do need more steel and leadership in the spine of the team.
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It’s fine playing a high line against most the bottom 10 - Everton for instance as 9/10 you will outscore those sides, although we didn’t take our chances at Leicester.

But we do it every game against every opponent - zero variation. The better sides know how to play against it effectively. Brighton, know how to deal with it, Villa and West Ham both got the better of us last season at home because of it. Even Wolves have an absolute field day with it - at least they did when Jota was around. Ange has to have a plan B.

The Europa will be a great example of this - we will dominate Qarabag, Elfsborg, Rangers, AZ, Ferencvaros with that high line. But Roma and Galatasaray will cause us major issues as they won’t mind sitting back and countering and they have quality up top - especially now Gala have landed Osimhen. Hoffenheim - last game, will depend on position of each side in the group, both could easily just rotate and it end up a dull 0-0.

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 22 minutes ago
so predictable theyd score from a corner though. we conceded most goals from them and they scored most goals from them last season i think , its frustrating cause until sunday we did look a bit better at defending them
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I was at the Everton game, and they had a 5 minute spell at the end of the first half where we were 2-0 up - where they had 4/5 corners in a late flurry and we looked very uncomfortable and struggled to clear the ball.

They also had another chance from a cross where Harrison/Garner had a great chance at the back post. Put adequate finishers in that Everton side and we would have conceded a couple that day - that defence still looks uncomfortable with the ball in the air

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 3 minutes ago
he aint gonna drop Romero

dont rate him defensively but we need to find a way to make all the defenders better as a unit
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Agreed, but that probably means dropping the high line - which he won’t.

Also means carrying out training to defend corners - which he seems bizarrely reluctant to do.

We have an aerial problem at the back - VDV, Udogie and Porro are poor in the air. Dravidian is very good but doesn’t start games. Vic is a disaster aerially, his one real weakness.
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Dropping the high line????

You are just showing you do not understand football. The high line underpins everything that a pressing team does.

You are advocating we play like we did under Conte. drop deep, concede possession, look to counter. And what will that resut in? more pressure, more balls into the box...and what have we been poor at this season? defending balls into the box.

We have moved away from that and the issues we have had this season have not been about the high line. Did the high line cost us vs Arsenal?

What we have needs refining. Brighton play a high line...is Dunk a speed merchant? Is Stones a speedster for City.

You think the whole system needs changing because 1 CB isnt lightning fast.


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You are again showing an inability to read and comprehend Devon - no surprise.

My point is that our defence looks uncomfortable with the high line and anything that comes into the box aerially.

We do not necessarily need to change it - but changing personnel to suit it should definitely be a consideration.

Of course I’m wrong though and we’re brilliant at the moment and have more than 4 points from 4 games - please teach me again oh great Devon one

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
When you have a quivering wreck of a goalie, is it any wonder Spurs concede so many from set pieces or high balls into the box. Definitely Vicario needs upgrading sooner rather than later. He's worse than the final days of Lloris.
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It’s his only real weakness, he is one of the best shot stoppers I have seen, unbelievable reflexes.

We cannot continue with him and that defence though - it’s aerially abysmal. VDV lacks one thing defensively - aerial ability. Udogie and Porro are midgets at Prem level. Dragusin is formidable in the air but is picking splinters out his Aris most games so no use.

Something has to give there - we either replace Vic, or we change that back 4 for one that is more convincing aerially.

I would like to see Ange try a 3-4-3 with these players and have all of Dragusin, Romero and VDV starting - that would help defensively. Play Udogie and Porro as wing backs rather than inverting and contesting all the time. Single pivot in Midfield - Biss is marginally more reliable than Bentancur and have Maddison starting for now. Then the ever rotating 3 forwards combination.


From corners, Solanke, Romero, VDV give us great height - so does Bentancur, so maybe he should start over Biss.
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We all would, only one man disagrees

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 hours ago

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 9 minutes ago
It's a combination of not really having any good creators, and not having any good finishers. Your attack is just full of shiiiit players. Which is shocking, considering the amounts you've spent.
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No it's not. It's a case of having a team playing a very different way to before with new players where it takes time to build relationships and understanding.

Arsenal barely scored under arteta for 2 seasons and now do so for fun with largely the same players, learning developing getting better.

It's far too early to point the finger at any one reason why we didn't score against Arsenal's parked defence

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Really? Solanke is the only attacker you have who has the excuse of needing time to get to grips with anges system.

Son - past his best
Johnson - crap
Kulusevski - ok
Richarlison - ok but always injured
Madison - good on his day, but also not good enough to carry your attack consistently
Camembert cheese room - looks a good dribbler tbf

Still think you can challenge for that 4th spot but won't be surprised if you don't make it

posted on 17/9/24

Need to use Dragusin, against physical, height imposing sides…

Need to tell the strikers to actually shoot, when getting a chance to shoot…

This will help enormously…

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Conn & Duncan..Scottish Legends (U15636)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Need to use Dragusin, against physical, height imposing sides…

Need to tell the strikers to actually shoot, when getting a chance to shoot…

This will help enormously…
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We do shoot - 15 shots at Leicester, 16 at home to Everton, 20 away to Newcastle and 15 at home to Arsenal - I would be surprised if any side in the league is within 10 of that.

Our problem is that our shooting is gash

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