Draconian punishment?

Strange that you call yourself daviecooper, a legend of that very era that you seem to hate! football was far better then mate, how can you possibly argue otherwise? I for one loved standing on the terraces with a full house at most games and thousands more outside that couldnt get in, big european nights and teams all over europe fearing us! oh yeah its much better now isnt it?

And who cares if players will come or not? we just produce our own mate, you need to start looking at the bigger picture

By definition there are more Celtic & Rangers fans than Dundee.
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That sentence doesn't make any sense BTW.

All you needed to say is 'there are more Celtic & Rangers fans than Dundee'. Correct of course, but I was referring to the 'neutral' who would undoubtedly find a Dundee derby more engaging than United vs Rangers or Celtic.

Face it, real supporters put money into their clubs directly - not via the Sky and the Murdoch empire.

Quite frankly, I don't care if we get a reduced offer for a TV deal, or even no TV deal at all.

I go to watch my team in the flesh, not on the telly. If our teams have less money as a result of Sky pulling out or negotiating a smaller payment for Scottish Football, then they will just have to pay less to the players (or use some business or marketing acumen to come up with more ways of making money).

A TV deal is not the end of the world for Scottish Football. However, a compromise of sporting integrity pretty much kills the 'competition' stone dead.

to the 2 arabs- do you really think that with a far reduced league, falling income etc Scottish teams could possibly compete in Europe?

Face it, like it or not, TV runs football. Without TV you don't have a competitive league.

Without TV, you don't have the exposure to further than local audience.

dc, scottish teams cant compete in europe now! you have a very blinkered view on how football should be, I just want to see my team win trophys, thats what football is all about to the genuine football fan. scottish football will have to go back to basics to get better, and for me the best way of doing that is if sky do pull the plug! lets face it rangers are fecked and its all their own doing so no point trying to make the rest of the clubs feel guilty for seeing it as an opportunity for change.

No TV deal means we can resort to 3pm kick off on a Saturday, wouldn't be dictated to by TV companies to play games on Monday nights or Friday nights, and if it came down to United playing Motherwell on the last day of the season for a Champions League spot you can be pretty sure STV or the BBC would pay to get that game on the box!

I don't care if the people in England watch Scottish football and for the simple matter of integrity Rangers should be hammered, they have broken the rules repeatedly and if they go down the 'newco' route then they should have to start in the 3rd Division, which would miraculously turn into a SPL2/2nd Division so that Rangers could be back in the SPL within 3 seasons.

It's very simple, Rangers have been poorly run for years, long before Craig Whyte became involved, they are now paying the price, like Leeds in England, and just because it is Rangers and they have so many thousands of 'loyal' supporters does not mean that the club shouldn't be punished for their wrondoing in fact it would be very wrong if the club weren't punished, as for the moaning about under 18 players, isn't that what Murray Park built for? To nuture the future of Scottish Football?

CL spot? What CL spot?
There will not be a CL spot, as without a TV deal and the plummet in talent, attendances, sponsors, clubs etc., Scotland will be a footballing backwater.

To get 1 club into either of the actual European competitions would be a major success.

So 3 or 4 qual rounds for the Europa League for the champions of Scotland. And for the rest, nada.

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daviecooper1 you are once again proving yourself to have very limited football knowledge. do the welsh and irish leagues not have any champions league entrants each year? not to mention several other leagues around europe that dont have big tv deals?

Arab - at BEST there would be 3 quals for CL space.

At best.

And maybe a single EL spot after 3 quals.

This would be due to co-eff falling like a stone.

No specialist footballing knowledge needed really, just common sense and an ability to see beyond the confines of Tannadice.