After just reading about what must be the harshest penalty in the history of F1, is there more to Hamilton's penalty than meets the eye?
We all know the Spanish don't like Hamilton. Or, is it just the FIA favouring Alonso in front of the the Spanish crowd which is a developing F1 market?
The penalty is so ludicrous you have to wonder. A 5 place grid drop would have been harsh given the margin of his pole, a demotion to 10th extremely harsh, but to be expelled from the qualifying session is unprecedented.
Disgraceful and I really feel for Hamilton. Shameful FIA.
Racism or Corruption?
posted on 13/5/12
Never have I seen or heard such an incompetent person as Twitmarsh, so defended by the media and general population, accept in countries where its a dictatorship! Is Britain heading in that direction, as there are so many blind sheep out there!
posted on 13/5/12
Spanish GP Race Stewards Biographies
GERD ENNSER
MEMBER OF THE DMSB’s EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE FOR AUTOMOBILE SPORT, FORMULA ONE AND DTM STEWARD
TO M KRISTENSEN
EIGHT TIMES LE MANS WINNER, GERMAN F3 CHAMPION (1991), JAPANESE F3 CHAMPION (1993) ALMS CHAMPION (2001)
RADOVAN NOVAK
SEC. GENERAL OF THE ACCR (AUTOCLUB OF THE CZECH REPUBLIC), WORLD MOTOR SPORT COUNCIL MEMBER
sorry about the caps - it's a cut and paste from
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/esp-stewards.pdf
posted on 13/5/12
@Malcolm - Thanks for the response but dont think you answered my questions.
1. Where a car stops affects red flags, not the fact they've stopped. If a car stopped during quali and pulled into a safe zone then this wouldnt lead to a red flag. Even car crashes or incidents like Sennas this quali dont ALWAYS lead to a red flag in quali (i know in Senna's exact case this time the session had just ended). Plus I referred to incidents where a car has stopped before reaching the finishing line and pulled to one side e.g. Mansell some years back, but even though they were first or second at the time they still got e.g. 6th because of when the race officially ended. Maybe this is not allowed now IF the rules have been changed to deal with the race as well, but if they havent and I've not heard anything about this race wise then I still dont understand why it counts in quali and not the race when the incident didnt result in a red flag (plus cars dont always get penalised for causing a red flag unless deliberate so not sure about the pt anyway)?
2. On your point about the Spanish that have made this decision, where is your source for that please? I havent found anything that says Spanish guys made the decision although I understand 'some' stewards at every race come from the home federation. From my understanding of what goes on the race director (presumably Charlie Whiting) refers and incident to some stewards and they then make a decision and if necessary meet with the team theyve decided against. I've searched for who was involved in the Hamilton decision, rather than just assume it was made by Spaniards (3 of 4 decision makers) and potentially in a racist or pro Alonso way, and can't find the names. However I did find the stewards involved in Hulkenberg's pit lane speeding decision in Q3, and only one of the 4 was Spanish, and she is a very young female graduate of the FIA stewarding program, so hardly likely to be the dominant person involved. Anyway the stewards deciding on this Q3 incident were:
Gerd Ennser Radovan Novak
Tom Kristensen Silvia Bellot
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/esp-document-22.pdf
Are you saying a different set of 4 stewards made the decision on Hamilton and if so have you a link to who they are?
Having said all that out of pure intrigue, of course Hamilton has to take the punishment in F1, that's how it works, but doesnt make it right. Much like the Spa decision that went against him.
Personally I think Hamilton should get out of VMM as quick as possible. They have gone from one of the best run teams to a total joke in the recent years, and 99% of the time it affects their best and most exciting driver, even though probs have also happened to Button on occasion.
posted on 13/5/12
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 19 minutes ago
Spanish GP Race Stewards Biographies
GERD ENNSER
MEMBER OF THE DMSB’s EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE FOR AUTOMOBILE SPORT, FORMULA ONE AND DTM STEWARD
TO M KRISTENSEN
EIGHT TIMES LE MANS WINNER, GERMAN F3 CHAMPION (1991), JAPANESE F3 CHAMPION (1993) ALMS CHAMPION (2001)
RADOVAN NOVAK
SEC. GENERAL OF THE ACCR (AUTOCLUB OF THE CZECH REPUBLIC), WORLD MOTOR SPORT COUNCIL MEMBER
sorry about the caps - it's a cut and paste from
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/esp-stewards.pdf
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Ah thanks man, you did it the same time as I was writing and linking to something similar. Don't look too Spanish do they
posted on 13/5/12
comment by giggs love child (U4694)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
Hamilton will have a job getting a drive in another decent team I don't think the big teams would want him
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Hamilton makes you look stupid again. Wouldn't it be better be be quiet and not conitnue to look stupid?
posted on 13/5/12
You both forgot Silvia Bellot
posted on 13/5/12
No I didnt. I mentioned her in my post including her background
posted on 13/5/12
ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
"Hamilton makes you look stupid again."
How? Tell me after you have looked in a dictionary
posted on 13/5/12
giggs love child (U4694)
You are not exactly intelligent are you?
You make a nuisance of yourself on this section because you personally dislike a driver.
You have never posted anything other than your personal dislike for Hamilton.
Actually, you have never posted anything that has not made you look stupid.
Keep up the posts so that we can laugh at you but you do not have the wit to twig our mockery.
posted on 13/5/12
comment by giggs love child (U4694)
posted 9 minutes ago
ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
"Hamilton makes you look stupid again."
How? Tell me after you have looked in a dictionary
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I'm pleased you know what a dictionary is dear boy.
You made a comment implying nobody wants him and Mclaren are pleading with him to sign a new contract. That in itself shows you up.
The way Hamilton has driven this season, bringing the car home even in the worst position possible in the points demonstrates just how phenomenal a race driver he has become.
Keep crying and he'll keep raking in the millions whilst you cry yourself to sleep