Depressing

As for the pub league jibe...
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The same could be said about your backwater jibe.

Also, about the Man City thing - that's exactly what I was getting at...

Hindsight being 20/20, and with the aid of a time machine, would you have organized your protest differently?
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Considering how little effect literally every single tactic executed has produced, I reckon there's not much else that could be done.

Time machine - honestly I don't know. The first protest coincided with our first win of the season so protests = bad results is lazy journalism. Did it affect the players, again I don't know. I imagine the Paul Robinson's and David Dunn's of the team were disappointed and put more effort in but it might have affected the younger lads (but there were too many of those due to the evil Venkean regime's rumoured 'matchday budget' - ie cannot play senior player's match fees). Having being owned by the Trust for so long (and believe me there were Rovers fans complaining about lack of investment then), we just didn't know how to react.

The owners, well largely its the silence and Kean's continued involvement. I know you'll argue against us demonising an individual but his lies, his complicity in the club's running, the shadowy nature of the activities coupled with his incompetence suggests that he should be removed (not just us but our chief exec saying it) but he is still not.

The owners had the opportunity to make bridges but I cannot judge anyone's activity with regard to season tickets and attending - people love the club and it has given a lot of people a sense of community, fellowship with family etc. But it doesn't feel like our club any more.

* but there were = but there weren't

Keith

Hand on heart I am empathic to your situation, re crap owners, I do think Keans treatment, from an outsiders perspective has been shocking, but have a better understanding as to why he's been targeted (still wrong imo).

Where are you with fan organisation?
I ask because my mate is on the 'actions commitee' at Greenpeace (paid to create mayhem....great job) and he has told me that a small amount of people can highlight issues, but a large amount of people can effect change.
You have, apparently, thousands, is there no one organising concentrated pressure, be it financial or disobedience? Home game boycotts, disrupting venkys meeting in India etc.

"I do think Keans treatment, from an outsiders perspective has been shocking"

But still you cannot say particularly what is shocking. He's not the first manager to have heard "XXX Out" and whilst that might have been overdone in a game, honestly that is the majority. The bodyguard thing is overdone and is Kean building his media platform. I can't emphasize how much that impacted fans - suddenly we were seen as threatening and violent because of a quoted story in the Daily Hail which portrayed us as such and which has been picked up since and stayed in everybody's minds. At the same time Jerome Anderson went on Sky and received a sickening fawning interview where he was allowed (without serious journalistic effort) to slam fans.

We never had that outlet and whilst its easy to blame the media, quite honestly, I do feel that we have been done here.

"You have, apparently, thousands, is there no one organising concentrated pressure, be it financial or disobedience? Home game boycotts, disrupting venkys meeting in India etc."

It'll happen this season - there is already fans not buying season tickets, people aren't buying merchandise. But it is more emotional than that - read people's posts and you'll udnerstand that people are making difficult decisions over tickets. Disrupting Venkys meetings - well its a bit difficult to reasearch being a private company and India might be a bit far...

Rover

The love is both your biggest asset and your most visible handicap.

Celtic had 110 years being 'ruled' by 4 families, we filled a 60,000 stadium for a majority of that time, we won the European cup and dominated, with the other lot, Scottish football.
Rangers got a new owner who had cash and a all-seater stadium, he exploited the english euro ban buying players that would never have considered playing up north (Butcher, Wilkins etc) and left us eating dust.
We demanded parity, they wouldn't give us it, we organized, eventually finding a few interested partners, the fans created 'sack the board' mayhem and the partners piled on the business pressure through the majority debt holding bank.

We eventually won and we are were we are now, a handful of mega-rich individual shareholders and 40,000 minority shareholders.

Maybe we were lucky to get the guy that put up the money, Rangers sold out to an absolute charlatan recently, but it was the fans that effected the change.

I'll take your word that you are being blackened by the media, and accept that I may have been hoodwinked, but again, it's down to the fans to redress that situation.

It's a catch 22 situation, how to think of ways to Fk Venkys without harming the actual club itself, relegation will effect the attendance anyway but you can't go too far or you'll alienate and disengage the next generation of Rovers.
What a steaming pile if shiiit you find yourselves in.

I hereby retract all negative and ill informed abuse I posted and wish you all the best, keep fighting the good fight and good luck, footballs all about up's and downs, this is your time for down, it just makes the up's all the sweeter.

"I hereby retract all negative and ill informed abuse I posted and wish you all the best, keep fighting the good fight and good luck, footballs all about up's and downs, this is your time for down, it just makes the up's all the sweeter"

Cheers dude - I think you'll appreciate most of the negative stuff we post here about your club is responses only.

The Celtic stuff you posted was interesting, I never knew that. I am now better informed than I was before.

Good to have a real debate unlike the dimwit of no-name.

Love the sack the board thing Hector, the problem is... they did! but only before they had removed any point to their existence. Not really sure we have a "board" any more

I liked BFS and was disappointed when he was sacked but for me the "stepping down" of John Williams was a traversty - thats the same John Williams who's now on the board at Man city

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/01/15/revealed-the-letter-that-exposes-the-history-of-blackburn-rovers-crisis-150102/