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England....what now?

Firstly I'd like to say well done to the national team for getting as far as we did, considering what woy had to do and deal with in such a short time. Got further than I expected.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm far from happy with the state of our national team. Our style of play is poor, our expectations are usually over inflated and our tactics are sooooo negative. But I understand that we had to play this way. Our players aren't good enough to play the football we desire due to the youth system in our country. So Roy selects tactics and a team to play to our strengths! Fair play Roy!

To move forward from here we need a significant change in our youth setup from grassroots up!
1. Young kids playing on size appropriate pitches and goals ie 5 aside and 7 aside.
2. More work with the ball on two footed control and one touch passing at young age
3. More uefa coaches at youth level
4. Consistant tactical training from a young age
5. Stop height strength and speed being primary selection criteria. Yes they're nice but not priority! Aside from gk or cb which do require size and strength!
6. Clubs being consistent with their youth and first team tactics and moving towards modern 433 style tactics and possession football

All this if implemented straight away wud start the ball rolling to improving our players and our national team. It wud take around 10years tho mind but it wud be good for the long term.
In the meantime I hope Roy continues along the same vein of bringing in youth and moving on some of the older players. I only hope he can adapt his tactics as the players progress and can move is in to the 433 model and possession football!

posted on 25/6/12

The simple answer is for England to lose this obsession we have that one or two players will repeat their club form and win games single handedly. We need to play as a team and understand the importance of the basics of the game should be the highest priority.

Our players can control the ball and have individual capability but we don't seem to be able to use it in the right way to create a team unit that plays a simple pass and move game.

Its is a mentality change right the way through our game that needs to change, as you've suggested, but i think its more of a "team mentality" than it is individual capability. As much as we laud the Spanish, they actually play a very simple game where their players 99% of the time are playing 2 yard passes. They rely on playing as a team far more than the technical brilliance we think they have.

posted on 25/6/12

Furthermore with regards to technical training, there should be more promotion and emphasis on Futsal which will no doubt improve technique, vision and speed of thought.

posted on 25/6/12

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posted on 25/6/12

Agree to most of your points.

England have failed for 50+ years - with the one exception being the WC held on our own soil. We have only reached the semi-finals twice; and one of them was also on our own soil.

Reason?

Not the manager. (We've had loads in 50+ years).
Not the players. (We've had loads in 50+ years).
Not the PL. (It hasnt been there for the last 50+ years.)
Not foreign players. (They werent there for the last 50+ years).

No. We fail because we play the wrong type of football to win.

We dont pass, dont possess, dont dribble.

We kick and rush like kids over the park.

And the better teams - Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Brazil, Argentina and even one or two others - can BEAT US when we play like that.

We need to change the way we play.







posted on 25/6/12

Oh, and singling out Young and Milner is exactly what is wrong.

When we failed in 1996, 1984, 2002 - were Young and Milner to blame then?

No.

Was Hodgson?

No.

We need to change the way we play.

Regardless of who manages us and who plays for us.




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posted on 25/6/12

How about teaching them to play as a team? Also not to get to big for their boots. Time we taught the kids basic stuff first, then move onto other stuff afterwards.
If you can't play as a team your not playing. It's as simple as that.

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posted on 25/6/12

Allow the big teams, that can afford to, play "b-teams" in the lower leagues for the youngsters to gain experience.

Simple

posted on 25/6/12

I like the b team idea. Can see the benefits! I also agree about team ethic being instilled at early age and playing for each other!
However don't dismiss the technical ability improvements required because although we do have some excellent players they aren't good enough for the style of play needed. For example, Scott Parker! An admirable player who is an excellent dm at breaking up play or last ditch tackles. But on the ball he is poor! Terry, an excellent deep lying cb who is great with last ditch tackles and blocks! But we invite so much pressure on to ourselves lying so deep, buy terry has no pace and can't bring the ball out from defence and create.
We need players who are comfortable on the ball esp under pressure! That includes defence!

posted on 25/6/12

1. Young kids playing on size appropriate pitches and goals ie 5 aside and 7 aside.
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this is being done. the new rule is along the lines of up to the age of 9? or 11? im not entirely sure

We should 100% go the the B team setup. like in spain, Wenger has tried to push this through but the FA are having none of it. my idea is to do what Rangers are trying to do, and buy a league 1 team like bury and use that. because if not the team would have to start in about div 10 and that would take too long.

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