For all the people saying that Germany would murder England etc I hope they're watching this game.
International football is all about defending well and taking your rare chances. None of the top 8 or 9 teams (and England are one of them) are that far apart and can beat each other on any given day.
Yes, England have their problems but we have a better defence than Germany and that's not the worst thing to have. If we could get a couple of younger legs in midfield and Welbeck hones his finishing skills than I think we could reach at least the semis in Brazil.
This tournament has shown that there are no real standout teams in European football other than maybe Spain and they have their weaknesses too so please stop the Germany love-in. They still have a long way to go before they can be considered the amazing team a lot of you think they are.
England weren't that bad after all.
posted on 29/6/12
Mate, Keane was a legend but tell me one Champions league game other than that Juve game where he transferred his Premier League form to Europe.
Gerrard was incredible in 2005 against Olympiacos, Leverkusen, Juventus and Chelsea and again in 2007 on the way to another final against AC Milan.
Keane never seemed to do it in Europe other than that one game.
posted on 29/6/12
England drew with Italy, Germany lost to them. One can only conclude that England are better than Germany from this.
posted on 29/6/12
Keane was the same, as are a lot of these action football, they often go missing against technically superior opposition.
I disagree with these assertions that Gerrard was incredible. Misplacing passes, getting caught in possession and out of position is not a sign of incredible. This is what I'm saying about the goals masking his performance.
Credit for scoring them, and he has a great shot on him, and what was incredible about him was his ability to come up with a goal when needed (although there's a reason he's called Stevie Me), but this just masks his performances and people remember the goal and not how well he played.
The fact you're saying to me now that he was incredible and schooled Pirlo and Kaka suggests that you've completely forgotten how that game actually happened.
posted on 29/6/12
Maybe I was a bit hasty to use the term 'schooled' but I remember that game vividly and as soon as the second half kicked off he was a man possessed and scored the goal to start the comeback. Pirlo and Kaka barely did anything from then until the penalty shootout (which Pirlo missed in)
posted on 29/6/12
Hamann changed that game
If the kaiser had played for any other club he'd be hailed as a legend
League titles, CL finals, WC Finals
Who'd he play for? Oh.... he's not as good as players for more fashionable clubs.
Kaiser ****ing brilliant player
posted on 29/6/12
Agreed redconn. Hamman changed the game. Milan's midfield was still very much in control, but Hamman shored Liverpool's up and they became a lot more solid.
Hamman was a very underrated player. You don't get that many caps for Germany unless you have something about you.
posted on 29/6/12
there's a lot of myth about that match both ways IMO
we were second best that day the score was completely flattering to Milan
One goal was from a freekick cross and another when we were denied a nailed on penalty and everyone on both sides stopped playing waiting for the ref to point to the spot except one Milan player who ran up the pitch to score practically uncontested.
We shouldn't have won but it wasn't the lopsided 3-0 as made out.
Should have been 2-1 at halftime.
posted on 29/6/12
I think that's pretty fair.
posted on 29/6/12
Funrob, your posting style and logic behind your argements make you sound like a 12 year old. The tiers you put up are silly. Portugal are also better than we are. Using your logic, they schooled Spain so must be bettter.
They made Spain look like England and that is impressive.
If they had a striker like Shearer, they would win tournaments with ease
posted on 29/6/12
England played not to lose. Germany played to win.
Had Germany played like England on the night they also would have drawn 0-0.
Imo any team can play this tactic, it doesn't make England any further ahead just because England's result was arguably better.