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Of course im not saying thats what AVB is ..


In any job i want someone who gives 100% and if harry had done that we would of finished 3rd


Go back and check all the Chelsea posts on here at the time, they were all arguring amongst themseves as to whos fault it was and a lot were blaming the players ..


Just to remind you that Chelsea finished 6th after spending over 100 million again so maybe they are a pub team and when he left Chelsea were 4th and they finished 6th so maybe the players should be getting more blame than the manager

yes they won two trophys but no club will ever get that much luck again to win a trophy..

oh chicken

Weare,

I dont need to be reminded where Chelsea were & where they finished but you do have to take into consideration the winning rate between AVB & RDM, which was something like 46% vs 61% (or something similar), so the players certainly responded better to the different tactics. Whether it was a respect issue or ability, we dont know - but neither reason is particularly healthy to be fair, is it?

Its all well & good trying to blame the Chelsea players for AVB's failure, but AVB is meant to be the boss, and if he cant mark his authority within a Premiership team then what use is he to us?

Also, its funny how you told me i shouldnt listen to the Chelsea fans when it favoured my opinion, but you are happy to use their reactions when they were apparently arguing amongst themselves, in support of yours.

As for Harry not giving 100%, it wasnt Harry's fault that VdV missed 2 sitters against Chelsea, 1 against Sunderland, along with Friedel letting in a powder-puff Taraabt free-kick against QPR...and so on.

He can pick the team, choose tactics & do his motivational stuff, but he couldnt take every kick for them & make every save. Harry didnt lose us the points on his own, the players had a dip in form - which happens to almost every club in the league, as i say, even United dropped 8pts at the death to lose the actual title. This stuff happens in football.

What shouldnt happen is, you dont give someone like AVB the benefit of the doubt in the hope Chelsea's failures were just a coincidence from the time he was there to the time he left. To me, thats daft.

He can pick the team, choose tactics & do his motivational stuff, but he couldnt take every kick for them & make every save. Harry didnt lose us the points on his own, the players had a dip in form - which happens to almost every club in the league, as i say, even United dropped 8pts at the death to lose the actual title. This stuff happens in football.


What tactics and motivation

from feb we were devoid of both


Chicken, dont mean to be rude but you need to get your head out of harrys ar-se mate ..

if you think our dip in form two seasons running is just something that happens in football then i have to think you are just so into Harry that it woud not matter how bad we became ..

Weare

If you think a manger can deliver two 4th placed finishes & 1 fifth, for a club whose highest ever finish was 5th, without good tactics & motivational skills, then its not me who needs to take their head out of somewhere, fella.

If dips "dont just happen", how do you explain Arsenal's loss of form (ie. dip) midway through the season, United's loss of form (dip) towards the end, along with dips from Chelsea, Newcastle, all the relegated clubs, Liverpool, mid-table teams & all other teams in our league?

The league is 38 games a season, you dont just judge a manager on a selected few where the results went against.

I already said that we shouldnt be wasting time speaking about Harry, but your summary of him or accusations about having no tactical ability etc is something i'd expect my bird to say, like when she claimed that the home advantage is just a myth, as its just another pitch for 11 men to kick a ball about on. You cant just turn up at a Premiership club, pull 11 names out of a hat, send them out for 38 games & finish 4th.

In short, you're picking holes in a manager who has achieved far more than a man you're claiming is the right man for the job. With respect, if Harry can (by your theory) just pick out 11 names at random, but AVB cant even match his results with extensive research & tactical genuis, we're seriously in more trouble than i originally realised.



Levy, save your money & just buy a tombola machine.

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How has harry achieved more than AVB.. 1 trophy in 30 odd yrs says otherwise

How has harry achieved more than AVB.. 1 trophy in 30 odd yrs says otherwise

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As i said before, you have to compare like for like, as in the league they have managed, the same amount of games & the same type of opposition.

You cant compare what one manager has done against portuguese opposition against what one has done in the Premiership.

As such, if we compare like for like, for the games they both had in the same league, over the same amount of games, Harry has the better record - that is fact.

Not that i care about what Harry has done or not done in relation to this debate. Harry's gone & i've moved on. My point is simply that AVB has a Premiership record that is beneath what we would expect as a minimum at Spurs, so why would we want him?

Apparently he told Levy he has learnt from his mistakes at Chelsea, woooopydoo...for a £16m package i (personally) would expect a bit more practical evidence than just that from my manager.

Weare (now aka Lane of hope),

Funny you brought up the comparison between AVB & HR, and me subsequently mentioning that to be fair, we should compare like-for like, as in over the same period of time (era / season), in the same league (the only one available is the Premiership) & the same length of time (games played) in that that very season. In the paper today they have listed exactly that & the figures are quite interesting. The results are as follows:

Games played (as we knew already):

AVB – 27
Harry – 27

Games won:

AVB – 13
Harry - 16

Games drawn:

AVB – 7
Harry – 5

Games lost:

AVB – 7
Harry - 6

Goals for:

AVB – 47
Harry - 52

Goals against:

AVB – 32
Harry - 33

Points won:

AVB – 46
Harry - 53

Win %

AVB – 48%
Harry – 59%

I think this alone proves the point I was making. Not about Harry (as we’ve both already said he’s gone, there’s no point crying over it) but more about what is acceptable for Spurs, and more importantly, what isn’t / shouldn’t be.

The appointment has been made now, so we just have to all get behind him, hope & pray AVB did not cross his fingers when he told Levy he has leant from his mistakes & he’ll never do it again, not in a million, trillion, cuzillion years.

Although my jury is still out & far, far, far from convinced.