Charlie Green

Tim
My point is that EBTs giving a sporting advantage (classed as cheating by some) isn't the issue, and it isn't the reason for which titles will be stripped.

Titled will be stripped for using dual contracts, which isn't allowed under SPL rules.

I don't believe that it is cheating just because a players registration is deemed void because he had two contracts. To cheat, it has to be a deliberate rule breaking and rangers believed their method was within the rules.

As I said, maybe the players will pay the 'loans' back?

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So if you're caught stealing/burglary and hand the loot back it's ok?

So celtics unRegistered junhinho ebt is ok then cos they paid it back

How should they be punished ? Or is it only winners that get punished

Hoops, I didnt say anything about Lawell.

I simply asked, where is the integrity in attempting to take away Rangers right to appeal?

Hoops, I didnt say anything about Lawell.
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Ano mate. Was just wanting to know why he was disliked in the ranger community...

Also a was hijacking thread.

The main reason i dont like Lawell is because he canny smile without closing his eyes, thus making him a complete smug flucker.

Also, there have been plenty of veiled snipes coming from Celtic and ill bet his smug gub has something to do with it

I will admit though, he is a good CE.

All good answers.

A lot of people seem to have their facts mixed up with regards to the whole EBT thing...

Firstly, HMRC are NOT classing what Rangers did as illegal. So the comment that "If it's illegal, then it's cheating" has already been stated to be otherwise.

Tax EVASION is illegal. That is not what Rangers did though - they are being investigated for tax AVOIDANCE, which is a sompletely different matter (Definition: Working within the tax rules, as they were set out, to achieve tax savings using methods for which they were not intended for).

So basically, they have decided that despite us working within the rules and doing nothing legally (maybe morally) wrong, that they want the tax back from us for using this scheme.
Yet, they have not closed the loophole. They haven't introduced legislation to set out exactly how the scheme should be used. They haven't even conducted a "cross-the-board" case to root out everyone who is using the method.
They're basically using us as a guinea pig to see if they can challenge, in court, a case which involves us working within THEIR tax rules and laws, and showing themselves up to be very inept in the process.

As for the dual contract situation; EBT's are NOT allowed to be contractual payments, or we will lose the case and be guilty of misusing the scheme and therefore be liable for the tax due (or at least the oldco will).
"IF" Rangers have been stupid enough to make the payments to players and other staff, contractual, then they have not only made an erchie of the whole scheme (which is quite clear in its use), they have also been guilty of the Dual Contracts.

However, the SFA were aware of payments being made to players via the scheme, so it's not like this is breaking news to them.
Their eligibility is based on being given SFA registrations...as they were issued with the relevant registrations, it is difficult to say retrospectively that these guys were NOT infact eligible to play simply because they were being given payments using a method which is perfectly legal and should not have been contractual.

To sum it up - if Rangers had secondary contracts issued to players awarding payments to EBT's based on salary or equivalent, then we deserve everything coming.
It's the height of stupidity if we can't even manage our own tax dodging right!

It's the height of stupidity if we can't even manage our own tax dodging right!
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Belter

Bateman,

I'm saving this to my favourites.

Knock yourself out pal