Just read a great piece on the Birth of the Universe and it was one of those articles that has left me intrigued yet baffled.
It focused largely on the Big Bang Theory and how people are left teetering on the notion of a God or a creator thanks to a little thing called ‘cause and effect’.
But how can such a trusted belief like cause and effect deter so many scientists including Einstein and even Hawkins away from the notion of a creator? Einstein ultimately gave grudging acceptance to what he called "the necessity for a beginning" and eventually to "the presence of a superior reasoning power." But he never did accept the reality of a personal God
If we look at the cosmological argument that everything that begins to exist must have a cause and if the universe began to exist, then the universe must thus have a cause then it’s no surprise it leads to discomfort amongst many of the worlds leading physicists.
Hugh Ross, an astrophysicist, has written very persuasively on this topic. He again brings us into the philosophical implications. Ross says that, by definition,
"Time is that dimension in which cause and effect phenomena take place. . . . If time's beginning is concurrent with the beginning of the universe, as the space-time theorem says, then the cause of the universe must be some entity operating in a time dimension completely independent of and pre-existent to the time dimension of the cosmos. This conclusion is powerfully important to our understanding of a God and who or what God isn't. It tells us that the creator is transcendent, operating beyond the dimensional limits of the universe"
Interesting stuff – Do any of the JA brainboxes have any personal views they’d like to share on the matter ?
P.S If this isn’t your cup of tea, then stick to coffee
Regards
Metro
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Calling All Science Buffs
posted on 21/9/12
Glad we agree on those points. It is also very easy to think you know it all, no one does my friend so let people believe in what they want to. They have a right to just as you have a right to not believe in anything.
Quit trying to convert them, you wouldn't want to be called a Christian now, would you
posted on 21/9/12
comment by righteous1 (U7048) posted 3 hours, 34 minutes ago
Having faith is easy.
The mind can convince itself of many things that are rubbish.
An anorexic can convince themselves they are fat.
A murderer can convince themselves they are innocent.
People can convince themselves of the existence of a God.
All of the above ignore the evidence put in front of them. That does not take effort, it just takes a particular mindset.
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I agree with you and am not a religious person but something must have created the universe. The Big Bang theory alone does not answer the fundamental question of where all this "stuff" around us actually came from or why.
posted on 21/9/12
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posted on 21/9/12
I am not stoping anyone believing in what they want to.
I am just pointing out the flaws in their beliefs. That needn't bother them if they are so convinced they are right.
If someone called me a Christian I wouldn't be bothered, I would just tell them I am not a Christian.
posted on 21/9/12
There are flaws in science too my friend and science makes some pretty far out assumptions that for the most part are at par with religious beliefs.
This world and universe didn't just make itself
posted on 21/9/12
How can you possibly disprove something that doesn't even exist?
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To be fair, many people were not speaking of a creator.
They were speaking about a 'beginning'
which just so happens to be considered more plausible then an eternal universe
That argument doesn't need God but it certainly makes you wonder who, what or how the feck did it all begin !
posted on 21/9/12
comment by GALVIN & not STACEY®Ω♫™#61† © 🇬🇧TEAM GB!🇬🇧 ** (U10415) posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
Religion or Science
It's still something from nothing.
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True, but something from nothing can;t be explained by science at all. It can be explained by religion to an extent, albeit an unsatisfying and all too 'convenient' explanation.
posted on 21/9/12
True, but something from nothing can;t be explained by science at all.
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It actually goes against one of the fundamental laws of science
posted on 21/9/12
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posted on 30/9/12
This thread is still going?
Then I'd like to wish you all a happy Festival of Tabernacles/ Booths (Deut 16) for the coming 7 days. Do any of you know about this or take part?
Who says science and religion can't get along? I believe they can.
We live under (God's) Grace. His mercy endures forever (otherwise I'd dread to even imagine).
Now enjoy your day
Agape
Nice one Luis, now come on Forest sacrifice the lambs!