Donald and Westwood

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this matter. I think this is an argument that none of us are going to shift on.

I still don't think you should be so down on English golf. If we had 2 players 1 & 2 in the world, i'd be jumping for joy. Be proud man!

I'd bet the pair of them would trade their world ranking for a major win.

It doesn't mean Ben Curtis, Todd Hamilton, Michael Campbell are better than them, but for players who have been at the top of their game for so long, its not just one major you'd have expected them to win but at least a few!

Broxys

May as well be a pint half full/empty situation. You see what someone like Monty has done as a success. I see it as underachievement considering how close he's come. You might see what Paul Lawrie did as underachievement. I see it as overachievement.

I think what makes it worse for these 2 is that there have been so many single major winners in recent years during Wood's reign, who have not reached number 1 and not done much else; Ben Curtis, Todd Hamilton, Michael Campbell, Mike Weir, David Duval, Paul Lawrie, Stewart Cink, Lucas Glover, Trevor Immelman, Zach Johnson, Geoff Ogilvy, Louis Oosthuizen. And then there's Donald and Westwood who have reached the top of the pile and can't win 1 for love nor money, while Woods has gone off the boil and left more of a gap open.

I'm not too worried re- 'you have to have a Major under your belt' etc. to be looked upon as great and worthy of the rank of 1 or 2 in the world. As has been said before, the Majors are only 16 days of the year. What hacks me off is the fact that both our 1 + 2 world ranked players can't even make the cut yet an ametuer can!!!!!!!!!!!!! (no offence Tom, well done bud)

Bloody embarrassing.

It's been p!sh all round from an English perspective. You wouldn't think it was the British Open we were playing.

We need to look at what the Northern Irish are having for breakfast then copy it.

All major of 2011 have been completed.

Donald and Westwood remain #1 and #2. Neither is yet to win a major.

Wozniacki keeps getting all the bad rap.

I agree, they should be replaced with Clarke and Bradley

One way to set right the rankings system is to award considerably higher number of points for winning a major (5 x the points given for non-majors).

To be fair, the major winners have shot up considerably in the rankings, both clarke and Bradley outside 100 but now are 35th and 29th. If they do that with majors, the argument would be "how can they be number 1 on the back of one decent performance"; you can't win!

Lets not forget Luke Donald can possible top both money lists in Europe and America, which would be a first and an incredible achievement (which shows he has had a tidy record in the WGC and majors, the tournaments which count on both tours)

The ranking system works fine in my opinion. Darren Clarke does not deserve to be in the top ten because he won a major, Wozniacki gets stick but i guess tennis works differently, and their ranking system works over a ridiculous one year basis and a injury can totally swamp you in your rankings; could you imagine what Tiger Woods would be ranked if he were a tennis player?

Maybe 2-3 times as many points for winning a major if not 5 times.

I don't think the rankings system is much better in golf than in tennis.

Recall when Tiger lost his #1 ranking to Vijay in Sep 2004. It took almost 2 years (Tiger won almost nothing in 2003 and 2004) of relative failures for Tiger and continued success for Vijay before the latter could catch up.