Times: No option to buy

no fecking way should we take any youngish player on loabn without the option to buy what sets our club apart from most is our ability to improve players, how much did we make from Nasri and Co. Now some fans want us to do it for Madrid for free (infact we would be paying for the privoledge).

Personally I think we should have just accepted this and cracked on with the season with Sahin being a bonus player.
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Why?

Without an option Sahin has no commitment to the club. Is he going to go into those challenges fully committed knowing an injury will finish his career at Real Madrid where he is earning £120k a week?

I am sorry but Mourinho's main complaint with Sahin is his lack of desire. Sending him away for a year ain't going to change that.

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I tell you exactly why we should have accepted it: We have Wilshire to come back but in the meantime we need somebody with skills to do a job for us. Sahin could have filled in very well. Yes it would have been nice to own him but Real didn't want this and they own the player.

It would be in the players best interest to play well, all young players want to do is play well. They are not going to think far beyond this.

Sahin and Allen add enough class to hopefully point us in the direction of the top 4 again, and if we find someone who knows how to score goals
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The problem is that you will never be able to judge the commitment of the player. Generally when players move on loan to big clubs (and unlike many of my gooner brethren, I still consider Liverpool a big club), there is an incentive for the player to earn a contract. That keeps harmony in the dressing room and cultivates team spirit. Players know they are in it together. There is none of that. Now you have a mercenary whose his team mates will always question his commitment if he misses a challenge or doesn't track back. Its worse for Sahin because that is the reason given by Mourinho for not playing him.

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I tell you exactly why we should have accepted it: We have Wilshire to come back but in the meantime we need somebody with skills to do a job for us. Sahin could have filled in very well.
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a) Wilshere has probably played as much as Sahin in the last year. Sahin is not match fit. Nor does he have experience of our system. Our system is similar to Barca/Bilbao etc not Madrid. There is very little chance he could have fitted in immediately to have the type of impact you expect that we need before Wilshere returns to fitness.

b) Consider the fact that Arsene sold Song and RVP because of their wage demands. Sahin is on £120k a week. How do you think the dressing room would have reacted after all the nonsense of the summer? Theo is still in that protracted negotiation with the club. Some of that would have been mitigated if the dressing room knew that Sahin had a long term future with the club. But without an option it was stupid!

doesn't mean we won't look to sign him at the end of the loan if he's successful.
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I am sorry but you have no chance of that. Thats why there is no option to buy. If Sahin performs he will be back at Madrid to replace Alonso. If he doesn't succeed why would Liverpool buy him and pay him the same as Gerrard?

I think without an option its a lose-lose situation. I am thankful we didn't touch it if there was no option.

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Real don't want the clause because they want to keep their options open, not because they're 100% certain he'll be in their first team once he's had a year of Premier League football.
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Real Madrid's bankers are Bankia. They are one the main banks that have been bailed out by the EZ. They have been instructed to reduce the debt that they hold of Madrid. Thats meant getting rid of players who sitting on huge wages in the reserves. Whatsmore they cannot pay the type of wages they have done in the past to their current players. This is why all negotiations have broken down with Alonso. He will leave. Sahin is expected to replace him because he is on less money.

Bankia are looking at every deal that Madrid are doing at the moment. That means they know that we have offered a £14m buy out option. This reduces the risk on that portion of debt completely. There is no way that Real Madrid would have turned Arsenal with preference for a no buy-out clause unless Mourinho was sure that he wanted him back.

As I suggested if he does well, he will be Madrid player, or his transfer will be far greater than £14m. If he fails then who wants to pay his wages? Its a lose-lose.