People still believe we will get him but why?
To get him we will have to better his Inter contract and with our tax rules, that exceeds way over 200k a week. Do you really see our owners allowing a player who has started 29, 28, 24 games in his last 3 years excess of 200k a week? He has started this amount of games due to his poor injury record. At Utd he is going to have to start near 40 game this season on such a wage. However, his body may not be capable. Man Utd however, want to give him less but why would he want less, when he has more at Inter?
He is happy in Milan and so is his wife, why an earth would they want to move to Manchester? Hardly better than Milan is it? He is settled their and just signed a 5 year contract last year. There is no way in the world he would swap Milan for Manchester AND get less of a wage. Utd won't exceed 200k for a player who is 27 and has such a poor injury record.
Furthermore, his fee will be of an excess of 35m and maybe even 40m. For a 27 year old this is very steep because after 2 or 3 years he will have very little resale value. Is this a really wise move? We would be stupid to go through with it as Sneidjer is on his way down. He has already peaked and after last year this was clear. His injury record is getting worse as the years go by and it would be a very unwise move. I just can't see the Glazers giving Ferguson 35-40m to spend on a player who can't even play 3/4 of our games. Glazers are businessmen and this move = only loss. We can still compete for the title without Wesley. So I don't see how this move will be possible.
Not only has Inter said he is not for sale, his father who is Wesleys agent has stated that the move is very unlikely. Ferguson has also ruled out our interest and understands that Sneidjer is not going to join. We may be interested but as moves go, this player will NOT join. We should focus our interest on a 22 year old Banega who looks like being a star and would cost between 10-15m and his wages would be MUCH, MUCH less.
All in all Wesley will NOT join.
Wesley S? Reasons why he will NOT join.
posted on 17/7/11
Reasons he won't join are valid - but it's not out of the question.
I hope a deal can be done. Especially as Fletcher looks like he's picked up that virus again that kept him out last season.
posted on 17/7/11
Come on. There are so many players out there who are available who could improve our midfield. I will name 2
Banega
Javier Martinez
posted on 17/7/11
Don't forget Father Christmas as well. He'd be great in our midfield. Fantastic delivery. We'd have to let him go around the busy festive period, but I think he'd bring in some quality for the rest of the year.
Looks good in red, too.
posted on 17/7/11
"I bet a pizza and a beer that Wes doesn't go away," Stankovic told Sky Italia.
"In a couple of days you'll see that Wes will take the microphone and say that he will remain with us at 100 per cent".
I agree 100% that Sneidjer will 100% stay at Inter. Clearly Sneidjer has told him and his team mates he will announce his stay. Hopefully this will all be over soon.
posted on 17/7/11
Nolhman,
I’m not going to say that Sneijder’s coming to United, because we simply cannot know that. What I am going to say is that reasons you claim he cannot come aren’t facts. I have five points of rebuttal:
1. Even if Sneijder’s wage demands and what Fergie is willing to pay are absolutely irreconcilable (I’m not convinced that they are; sounds like both sides trying to get a better deal, happens quite often in football), then this can be resolved anyway with the involvement of a third party, in this case Nike. When a sportswear company sees an opportunity for one of their clients to expand to a broader market via a transfer, they sometimes provide assistance to make the transfer happen. They pay larger sums of money to the player when the buying club is not willing to do so because they know if the transfer is called off, they miss out on a big money-making opportunity. It's the reason this has happened before in the cases of the Brazilian and Portuguese Ronaldos, who were assisted by Nike and Adidas respectively, while David Beckham’s transfer to Madrid was aided by Adidas. The precedent exists, and it’s rooted in market economics; the concessions these companies make are always exceeded by the financial and commercial gains they make in shirt sales, etc. I don’t guarantee that this will happen, but I do say that there is a lot of room for both parties to compromise and if Man Utd’s desire for Sneijder is strong enough, then a compromise catalysed by a third party is most definitely possible.
2. As for Sneijder’s injury record, you say he’s going to need to be playing 40 games a season to justify his wage. In his first and second seasons with Inter Milan, he played 41 and 38 games respectively. Is that good enough for you? It’s never going to be the case that one midfielder runs the show for the entire season, there’ll always be rotation.
3. How does Sneijder being happy in Milan mean he cannot be willing to leave and be happy somewhere else? He stated in a recent interview that he had hoped to stay in Spain when he played for Madrid. What happens? He transfers to Milan and becomes happy there instead. There’s no reason the same thing can’t happen with United.
4. Do players absolutely have to have resale value to be worth buying? Zinedine Zidane signed for Real Madrid for way more than Sneijder would cost and was resoundingly successful there, so the answer is most certainly no, if the player is good enough, then the five (or however many more) good years you’ll get out of them is more than enough to justify the outlay. I don’t think anybody will be complaining about his lack of resale value if he helps United win a Champions’ League or two. If the Glazers were absolutely against players they couldn’t sell on, then they would not have sanctioned the purchase of Berbatov.
5. Why do you assume that just because we have quotes from the parties involved that we know all their internal agendas? Maybe they’re telling the truth, but we’re not allowed to make that assumption, there are potential motives on all sides of the table to play down the prospect of a transfer. For Inter Milan, if they give off the appearance of wanting to keep Sneijder, they have a platform to drive up his price and satisfy the fans by not being seen to let him go easily. Sneijder has reasons to play down the move because if he voices a desire to leave, it disrespects Inter Milan’s fans and has deeper implications if the move doesn’t go ahead. Ferguson also has reason to deny interest because admitting interest gives Inter Milan an opportunity to bump up the price knowing that United really want this guy. By all means, this mightn’t be the case at all, but we cannot rule out a smokescreen being drawn up, it’s far from the first time this has happened in football. I don’t know what’s really going on, but you don’t either; only representatives of the clubs and the player truly know.
So, you haven’t given reasons why Sneijder won’t join, you’ve given reasons why he might not join. You’ve drawn a subjective conclusion, not an objective inference. Whether or not Wesley Sneijder will come is absolutely unknowable at present, but it is most definitely possible.
posted on 18/7/11
I think you can not read.
There is a difference between appearances and starts.
posted on 18/7/11
My reasons are justified and HE WILL NOT JOIN
posted on 18/7/11
And I assume your lack of a response to everything else I posted means the rest of my arguments still stand?
By the way, Wesley Sneijder started 35 of 38 games last season and 39 of 41 the season before.
I'm pretty sure that argument still stands too.
posted on 18/7/11
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And why don't you tell us why your reasons are justified, rather than just state it as if it's an inalienable fact? Defend your views, or take them back.
posted on 18/7/11
Lisandro
I posted a similar (though less thorough) refutation and he failed to respond to that either. He cannot defend his thesis because there is no way of reasonably arguing that something like this is 'definitely' going or not going to happen.
The thing Nolhman, you don't need to change your opinion, just couch it in slightly more hypothetical terms and conclude 'for this reason, I think it's highly probable the deal won't happen' and hardly anyone would object.