Giroud and Podolski

Like I used the Vieira example before it's similar but what was better is that Vieira went to Italy and only returned once while out there we lost a great player and that was that but with RVP we lost one and gave him to a rival, that will be very hard to forget if he and United succeed in competitions we are involved in!

The thing with Aguero and United is that Aguero plays for a rival club. Realistically we are not rivals with United, the only time we should be worried about him scoring is when he plays against us.

Also I am not optimistic at all, but there is no point in thinking 'what if'. You will just kill yourself speculating, we are stuck with Giroud now so we have to support him, not add to the massive pressure already on his shoulders.

I am not talking local rivalry I mean title-rivals unless you accept that title challenging shouldn't be our intentions anymore because we had good reason to think that high before we sold RVP, the more he scores for them leads to points so it really has significant relevance, every player that helps other challengers win is relevant in a way.

I agree and really I blame Wenger for pinning our hopes on Giroud when he is not good enough to rely on, it was wrong to bring a 'decent' forward that is different from our style and then in his first EPL season tell him his job is to fill the boots of the world class player who just departed. I supported Chamakh and even Park but thankfully they weren't so relied on, at a club of our stature he will have to accept pressure we have objectives and will need him to help us fulfil them whether he likes it or not! I liked him as a signing when I believed he'd come off the bench because Chamakh was that man last year but when I discovered he was RVP's replacement I could tell we were doomed from there. Only time (which we really don't have) will tell I guess.

You don't know for sure if he is good enough to replace Van Persie or not. The likelihood is he will never be as good as Van Persie, and there is a possibility he won't be any good at all but it is too early to say he is not good enough already.

Re the rival thing, yea I was talking about title rivals. We won't be competing for the title, not a chance, I expect us to finish at least 15 points behind 2nd place.

Which bring us down to the issue we can mutually agree on. We shouldn't be happy with that because before RVP left, seriously I only thought Evra, Rooney & Vidic were good enough to get into our XI we looked really strong!

In the case that you believe United aren't rivals then I guess he is slightly irrelevant though I still believe the better he does over there the more we may demand off Giroud.

Giroud will get 7 and Podolski will get 12

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Kamran you will be right again

With the chances we create any player with decent movement will score 15+ goals for us