Right, there's a high chance of this article being taken down, but I feel there's an option for a debate on something that I have discussed with a few mates.
I want to point out from the start I was fully behind the Justice for the 96 lives lost at Hillsborough , and to see a victory not just for the family, but for justice itself,
Those who tried to cover this story up HAVE to be outed and punished for an inhumane act which will never be forgiven and never forgotten. I'm glad that Liverpool fans and a city can finally let the memory rest!
My real question.... I wanted to talk about the Hysel disaster, and the events that stole many lives, I've often wondered why this didn't take precedent over Hillsborough, if not on a similar level. even mentioning the world Hysel is quickly quashed by Liverpool fans
I know they created a memorial at the ground, but I would love to see the club try and do something to repair the wounds now that Hillsborough has been resolved
Thoughts?
Sensible comments only.
Yours in love
Thudd
Topical Debate
posted on 17/9/12
Sorry but the culture at the time is not relevant in the slightest ......If it was then 1989 would have happened before , please don't say Hysel as that was totally different and caused by a stadium that was falling to bits and totally unfit
Talk about riots , stabbings and god knows what else but don't lump in the fans of all the clubs that were placed in awful danger through no fault of their own with the mindless hooligans that infected our game
posted on 17/9/12
Ok Squid fair enough but if I remember you saying, you were at the game in 81.
What in your view made the police think trouble first and safety last in 89 as opposed to 81 when they let fans sit on the sides of the pitch?
Several years later and there was absolutely no chance of the police thinking that would be the acceptable thing to do.
Why? Because of the culture that was still developing in the early 80s.
posted on 17/9/12
Hod who knows mate but the Chief Policeman who was in overall charge had no experience in crowd control whatsoever and it seems he really didn't have a clue about safety .........Once again I'll ask the question , who the hell let that game go ahead at a stadium with a record of near disasters and a safety certificate which was years out of date
TBH I get really touchy about 1989 and one of the reasons is that I watched 1989 unfold before my eyes on the telly and was totally horrified by the whole thing but I wasn't surprised in the slightest ....I've always figured that if I could see what was going to happen why couldn't the people we trusted our safety too see it as well
posted on 17/9/12
Agree squid doesn't make sence.
posted on 17/9/12
None whatsoever mate
posted on 17/9/12
Actually for Sandy and the older mob :
Wasn't there an incident after a Spurs game some time ago, where supporters got crushed due to surging crowds at Seven Sisters ??
posted on 17/9/12
Afternoon all, just seen this article. I was at Hillsborough too in 81 and there were major problems, but I had been to the ground many times in large crowds previously and no problems at all. You all have to remember football has been played at Hillsborough for the best part of a century previous to the tragedy, without a hint of any problems.
Most of my footballing life I had stood in tightly packed crowds on terracing without any problems. So whilst Hillsborough was tragic, as was Heysal, I think especially at Heysal, idiots charging across the terracing was the cause of the problems, not the terracing themselves.
posted on 17/9/12
But football in the 70s & 80s were full of these idiots. Nearly every weekend there would be either a pitch invasion or a stand invasion. We should have made the stadiums idiot proof, instead we stood by and took the view while there is no serious damage done there is no problem.
posted on 17/9/12
Mourinho's Omelette
But football in the 70s & 80s were full of these idiots.
I agree, but football pre hooliganism managed lot bigger crowds than today without any problems, everybody seems to be blaming everything else bar the behaviour of the spectators of the time.
posted on 17/9/12
"but football pre hooliganism managed lot bigger crowds than today without any problems, everybody seems to be blaming everything else bar the behaviour of the spectators of the time"
Good job crowd numbers declined during the yob phase.
Those antics causing crowd surges in attendances of 60,000+ would have been terrible.