Following out recent games, it is becoming apparent that luis Suarez is gonna be the subject of discussion for reasons other than his amazing football skills! His supposed diving.
Yesterday I reckon we can all agree, was an embarrassing and blatant dive! Yes I believe the ref was too lenient on the stoke defenders as there were some horrendous challenges unpunished but that's for a diff thread!
Following the game tony pulis brought up the topic of retrospective action against divers. I ask is this a good idea? Especially following the video footage of both suarez(which was so bad it was comical) but also the bale incident, which in first view I thought was a bad foul. The reverse view away from the officials was also blatant diving!
Should these players be punished with bans??
I feel that it cud be good for 2 reasons;
1. It should help eradicate these contentious decisions and encourage clubs and players to be honest as the club will suffer if they are caught. Additionally clubs cud impose their own disciplinary processes on perpetrators!?
2. From a Liverpool POV, Suarez may start getting some of the genuine decisions in his favour(like Norwich game) if refs know he doesn't do it because he'll be punished.
Any other views welcome
Ps
I feel that when luis does go down, if he stopped the stereotypical foreigner antics when they get taken out(legitimately)then he may be more believable. I mean the head thrown back, the back arches and the heels fillick up and back, like he's doing a death scene in a local production of a Shakespearean play! It looks totally fake even when he is genuinely fouled!
Tony pulis. Right or wrong?
posted on 8/10/12
the stamp was out of order & Huth will probably get a well deserved retrospective ban for it. However, it doesn't excuse Suarez for his Tom Daley impersonation, the 2 issues are not connected.
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You're missing the point
The post match chat and media talk is all Suarez
Huths was the red card offence not Suarez's
posted on 8/10/12
^ No it isn't, Huth will get a ban for what he did, no doubt, it's had plenty of air time. Suarez will get nothing for his party piece. I think you'll find that's the point & the debate raised by Pulis.
posted on 8/10/12
But diving is only a yellow card offence so retrospective bans would be ridiculous.
On another note, Pulis is a very clever manager. He has engineered in the media such pressure of referees to allow Stoke to play their way that if they don't then he will accuse the referees of favouring the big teams, not allowing his team to play etc. The irony of this is that Stoke are one of the worst teams for diving and playacting in the league. They also have pressuring referees down to a fine art. As soon as a perceived offence is committed against them they swarm the referee in a way Madrid or Barcelona would be proud of putting the referee under immense pressure to punish the opposition player. While it is horrible football, they are very clever about it.
posted on 8/10/12
If the Refs did their job properly then he wouldn't dive at all. But they don't, they consistently fail to award decisions, they fail to protect him from animals like Huth, I wonder if anyone at the game would like to report Huth for actual bodily harm, see if the police do anything about it?
Perhaps that's what luis needs to do to get Refs to pay attention? I wonder if he has bruises on his chest to prove that huth stamped on him, yet the referee did nothing.
Pulis is a thug and if he tells his players to go out and play that way then he should be arrested as well, for conspiracy to commit a crime.
posted on 8/10/12
^ so his dive was the refs fault? haha, I've heard it all now.
I agree about violence on the pitch though, I mean players who stamp, kick or bite should be driven out of the game, animals they are.
posted on 8/10/12
I was annoyed with Suarez yesterday, because by doing that, he justified this ridiculous witch-hunt against him, and justified the FA’s new rule (actually, about 6 months old, now) that defenders are allowed to foul Suarez.
Up until yesterday, I couldn’t remember any incidents where he’d gone down without contact (ie. what everybody else does)., and it was clear that he was being judged on the fact that his falls were sometimes theatrical. The fact that he also sometimes ignores rash challenges, and gets up to try and win the ball back...which he does quite often...was of course never mentioned.
Everton fans were keen to conclude that he “got Rodwell sent off”, but completely failed to notice Saha, in the same game, going down like he’d been shot to get Lucas booked, when the replays showed there was barely any contact, if any at all.
But yesterday he justfied it all. It looked to me like he slipped initially, but then tried to make it look like a foul, so by doing that he reinforced the FA’s rule that it’s OK to foul him. The fouls on him are getting worse and worse, because defenders are encouraged to do it, so I predict he’ll get injured soon, because they’ve now reached the point where he’s being stamped on.
But as for yesterday....yes, I’d be in favour of restrospective bans for that. Of course, Pulis won’t agree when Walters does it (as I’ve seen him do), and Spurs won’t agree when Bale does it (who as far as I can tell, would be banned for most of the season), and United won’t agree when it’s their players, but I personally would welcome it.
Interesting that the the referees are basically admitting they don’t judge fouls on whether it was a foul or not, but judge it instead on whatever reputation they’ve decided to give the player.
I’d always thought they were there to apply the laws of the game. So even if only for the reason that it will apply the law, in the absence of it being applied by referees,.....I’m in favour of restrospective bans for what Suarez did yesterday.
posted on 8/10/12
was he right in the dive was embarrassing? hell yes!
posted on 8/10/12
Big Nev, so you don't think that any of the decisions that suarez should've got but didn't, none of that influenced luis' thinking through the game?
You just think that all footballers are robots then? I mean come on, the refs job is to make sure that all 22 players play within the rules of the game and should apply those rules equally but they clearly don't if luis was on the pitch.
posted on 8/10/12
Big Nev
"^ No it isn't, Huth will get a ban for what he did, no doubt, it's had plenty of air time. Suarez will get nothing for his party piece. I think you'll find that's the point & the debate raised by Pulis."
Ian Dennis, from 5live, is saying 'Re:Tiote & Huth at least one of the match officials witnessed the incidents and, so The FA won't take retrospective action'.
Do you still think Suarez should be banned?
posted on 8/10/12
^ When did I say Suarez should be banned?
With regards to Huth, I can't believe the official is saying he saw that incident & didn't believe any action necessary. That's a terrible decision.