Jason Roberts

Lloyd, you talk a lot of sense mate. But there's no point arguing with sutton. He knows everything, and is always right. Racism doesn't exist in this country and the EDL are a sign of progress, apparently. And, in the wise mind of our friend, calling someone a black ****, is acceptable, as is knobbing your mate's wife.

Weirdly, though, despite their being no racism in football, the PFA have announced a six point plan to deal with it. How weird:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20054166

Lloyd, you talk a lot of sense mate. But there's no point arguing with sutton. He knows everything, and is always right. Racism doesn't exist in this country and the EDL are a sign of progress, apparently. And, in the wise mind of our friend, calling someone a black ****, is acceptable

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I didn't say any of that. You've just got angry and gone off on one. For a change

This why we'll struggle to deal with this issue. Anyone who doesn't go mental at the slightest suggestion of racism is hammered. You can't have a proper debate about. People accuse you of saying things you didn't and ultimately you will end up being accused of being racist.

This is in our open minded, liberal, modern society.

This why we'll struggle to deal with this issue. Anyone who doesn't go mental at the slightest suggestion of racism is hammered. You can't have a proper debate about. People accuse you of saying things you didn't and ultimately you will end up being accused of being racist.

Aah I see, talk to all Terry's friends and colleagues, hey, let's throw his brother in the mix too.

"Excuse me, is your mate John a racist? No? Okay, that's another tick for the list...... Hello, judge, yes I've just got the results of the Is John Terry a Racist survey you wanted"

Now you talk about Serbia and that too is a huge problem, not sure why two points can't be talked about. We can't go on about Terry because Serbia is worse? Are you one of the people who moan during transfer window saying why are we signing a defender, we need wingers?

Chameleon, who's "going mental"? My original point stemmed more from Fergie moaning about a bloke's right to express his feelings about an organisation. Nothing to do with Terry, Serbia, Suarez, etc. You want a debate but only if everyone agrees with you? Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?

Aah I see, talk to all Terry's friends and colleagues, hey, let's throw his brother in the mix too.

"Excuse me, is your mate John a racist? No? Okay, that's another tick for the list...... Hello, judge, yes I've just got the results of the Is John Terry a Racist survey you wanted"

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Now your being daft. Thats not how the police investgate things. They have done this type of thing before.

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Now you talk about Serbia and that too is a huge problem, not sure why two points can't be talked about. We can't go on about Terry because Serbia is worse?

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You can talk about what you like. All I'm saying see what's worse and look at where the anger and energy can be best used. To keep banging on about one comment that happened over a year ago doesn't help. I'm talking about the media more than anything. Just to be clear I'm not saying the media shouldn't report racism, before someone chucks that at me.

That's it really, that's my point. I'm not sure what's annoyed people so much.

I'm not being daft, I asked how you investigate whether someone is racist, you said talk to people he works with every day. Now that's daft, as if they would or could say anything that'll compromise him. I'm sure Roman would be delighted to hear about the trainee that just put his highly paid defender behind bars for 6 months!

I'm not too annoyed, I think your "racial abuse" in inverted commas and insistence on calling it name calling rather than abuse belittled things a touch. I can see how that would bother someone who'd been on the receiving end of this.

I'm not being daft, I asked how you investigate whether someone is racist, you said talk to people he works with every day. Now that's daft, as if they would or could say anything that'll compromise him

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Well talk to people he's played with and against. My point is it was a full police investigation. Conducted under the full gaze of the media and the public. It's daft to suggest they just asked a couple of people is a racist. It's easy enough for them to find out his attitudes towards race. Certainly considering the circles he mixes in.

My point with the "abuse" thing was IMO it suggests one party is weaker than the other. As in child abuse, domestic abuse or whatever. Someone has superior strength and abuses it. I don't think that's the case in the examples we've talked about. That's not excusing anyone's actions. But it's a slightly different view so I get hammered. The same as with anyone who dares to even slightly deviate the accepted norm. This Stops debate and damages the cause.

I can see your point about weakness and abuse, I don't agree with it though. Sometimes people know others cannot respond to their abuse, whether because they'd get in trouble, wouldn't lower themselves, etc and that lets them continue. Also weakness is not necessarily a physical thing.

Regardless of this my point about Terry and the investigation is that short of seeing him burning crosses in a white hood or similar it's hard to prove someone is racist. I've said this numerous times and have pointed out that this is why it's hard to prove in court.

Now, forget Terry but being racist isn't something for general consumption. People aren't ususally daft enough to spout offensive stuff when they don't know what the reaction will be.