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the rooney rule

admins please could you multi board.

serious question for those with the ability to hold a decent conversation

i was watching sky sports last night and it had jason roberts on discussing the kick it out campaign.

it then mentioned how some people were pushing for the rooney rule to be enforced in the english football league, whereby a certain percentage of people being interviewed for managerial positions must be black/asian etc.

to me this is pushing things too far now.

currently only keith curle, chris hughton & chris powell are the only black managers in the football league.

i find it very hard to believe that there are only 3 because people dont want to employ a "black man" as their manager.

so if this rule is employed, every team interviewing for a manager must have at least one candidate who is not white.

does that mean that if no non white applicants apply they have to pull in paul ince ( who hasnt got a job, not because he's black, but because he sucks at being a manager ) or some random black/asian off the streets.

i find it very hard to believe than any chairman who wants his club to succeed would turn down anyone based on skin colour if he is the best man to lead his club forward.

is this not a case of pushing the racism card the other way by demanding a black/asian man must be interviewed, otherwise you are racist?

thoughts please guys.

posted on 1/11/12

Chelsea players were trying to get into the refs room shouting i'm going to break your leg or smething like that
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I haven't heard about this. If it's true then that's extremely serious.

posted on 2/11/12

First off, I agree with most posts that I am against hiring based on race--even if it is done for good reasons. And, specifically the Rooney rule doesn't require owners to hire minority coaches/managers, only interview them. In other words, it would be like a man who has only purchased Jaguars, and the misses insists that the next time a car is purchased, he must at least test drive an BMW--not that he must buy an BMW.

The big disconnect, to my view, between this rule being good for the NFL (which I think it was) and for English football is that the player makeup in English football is no where near as minority driven as in the NFL.

Most head coaches in the NFL are ex players (I don't have figures, but has to be in the 90% range), and most players in the NFL are African Americans (starting in the late 60's they surpassed 50%, and now I believe are in the 85% range). But, until this rule was implemented, all but one head coach,( and most assistitants) were white. So the disconnect was obvious--only white, ex players were getting top jobs.

I think the Rooney rule addressed the problem of blacks not even applying for jobs because they perceived they wouldn't get a shot; and since they now knew they would at least be interviewed, they looked at a coaching career as more plausible. Also, since blacks were being interviewed that previously were not, some qualified candidates are now head coaches.

But, as I indicated, the number of minority players in English football in no way approaches the NFL level, so I don't think it is a good fit there.

comment by HRH (U15236)

posted on 2/11/12

There are variables that have to be looked at when saying only X amount of coaches are black in the league.....

How many of the 92 are English? Not Scottish, Welsh or Irish but English (England is far more ethnically diverse than the other home countries).

How many of the English coaches are older? The older the age group the smaller the pool of black coaches from that era there will be.

How many English white and black ex-pros have their coaching badges?



Maybe it's a case of black players on the whole being less interested in managing than their white counterparts.

Perhaps the percentage of white/black English coaches exactly matches the percentage of ex-pros that have badges.

Perhaps the English just aren't cut out for management full stop, black or white. The disproportionate amount of Scottish managers would suggest they are more suited to it.

posted on 2/11/12

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comment by HRH (U15236)

posted on 2/11/12

It's Glasgow in particular too I believe. Weird eh? The accent must command respect and ooze authority

posted on 2/11/12

Ledley, pretty much spot on.

comment by HRH (U15236)

posted on 2/11/12

Fletcher - it's a problem that just isn't there in my eyes., it is what it is. The amount of black players is disproportionate to the number in the population as a whole, that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

posted on 2/11/12

Ledley, I made the same point earlier in the article. I only just saw this was still being discussed.

When the entire black population of England is about 3% then it stands to reason that there is going to be less black managers and players.

comment by HRH (U15236)

posted on 2/11/12

To be fair, I think most people think the same thing whatever their colour. It's a hot topic though and fills headlines

posted on 2/11/12

True. People just don't apply simple maths to it.

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