Wenger and his stubbornness

Lex I am the same, I think we played better in the 8-2 last season, I genuinely do.

We didn't even start playing until Arshavin came on and by then it was too late.

Wilshere was poor yesterday just like the rest of the team, him staying on or going off wouldn't have made any difference to our play.

"Looks like arsenal fans have fallen out of love with Verm."

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The captaincy took Vieira, Fabregas and Van Persie to the next level.

It looks as if it's set Vermaelen back 5 years.

I don't want Wenger to go, but his stubbornness is so frustrating . We will start with the same team for the champions league again, mark my words.

No way. We'll make 4 changes at least imo.

Hope Wenger is brave and drops Vermaelen. All the gooners I know want him dropped. Was at the emirates for the QPR game and from the murmurs I was hearing, I could tell he isn't exactly flavour of the month.

Let's hope you are right, but imo we will play with same team again or may be one change (Walcott for Ramsey).

Wenger can't drop tv.....he's boxed himself into a corner by giving him the armband!!!
Arteta should be our captain as he is the only player in the squad who is remotely professional and that's because he was coached by moyes for all those years!!

Tv will start vs shalke

Don't know why Wenger afraid of doing it again, he has done it with Flamini at the left back. i will be more confortable playing Miguel than Santos at the left back position.

The captaincy took Vieira, Fabregas and Van Persie to the next level.

It looks as if it's set Vermaelen back 5 years.
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yeah it isnt doing him anyways, but you do know tv wanted to leave but none of the milan clubs had money to buy him. Maybe a Jan move to AC depending if they progress to next phase in UCL.

Wenger's been the problem for years. He's the reason we've never won back-to-back titles, he's the reason we didn't win a treble in 2004 and he continues to be the reason we're getting further and further away from trophies.

Give Ferguson, Fabregas, RVP, Nasri, Wilshire and Arshavin to work with, like Wenger had a couple of years ago, and he'd have won another treble with them. Wenger scraped 4th because he's simply not good enough at preparing his team on a game-by-game basis - and, quite frankly, never has been. Without the talent of Vieria, Pires, Henry and co the cracks in his game have become increasingly glaring.

The team is better than what it showed yesterday but when you're without rhyme, reason or any kind of gameplan other than "just play ze football" unless you are all time greats like the aforementioned French trio, your paddling up **** creek without a paddle.

The man is done. And has been for a long time.