The last couple of days I have called for his head and this is because, apart from the bad results that we have had to endure since the Palace game, he has shown how stubburn he is, his persistance in playing the Paranoid Androyd is one of the biggest reasons why we are where we are, yes I think he is a good manager and his record is decent at this level. But since the Palace game its like he has completely forgotten how to manage a team and has gone from one extreme to the other from last season.
When he took over last season the tactics and style of football he brought to the team was great, the things he said in Press Conferences were spot on, everything he did & said was impeccable. I thought that all we need now is another striker who can score at this level, an attacking midfeilder, another winger and another CB...all with sound experience at this level, and that was all was needed to bring on the team we had last season and to replace the outgoing players (Lowe, Prutton, Batth & Palmer), then we would have a good season as the momentum was good, the team knew each other well and we worked hard for one another.
With regards to his signings, whilst the likes of Mayor, Corry and McCabe are good players and ones for the future, bringing in quality Championship standard players was paramount to us in cementing our place in this division. DJ had, by our standards, a decent budget to use to get these players in but instead he blew that budget and inflated the team with BAD loan signings (Androyd, Helan & Sid), mediocre free-bees (Mattock, Gardner & maybe Kirkland-still on the fence about him), money wasted on Taylor & Maguire (as DJ dosnt rate him...yet he signed him anyway ) and brought in good players who dont get a look in (Rodri, Lee & Pecnik-who I think is a good player but DJ dosnt seem to know where his best position is).
With regards to Barkley, as good as he was, it was pointless bringing him in really as we all knew he would only be here for a matter of weeks which wouldnt help us in the long run but only help Barkley and Everton in the long run. Apart from Rodri, Helan & Lee the players he signed admittedly had experience at this level, but they were either uninspired, shoddy or never beens that think they are too good and big for the club (we all know who that is!!) and are either taking too long to gell or they just cannot play together but ultimately DJ has needlessly signed a new team, medocre team at that, when the team we had last season was i feel capable at this level anyway and the morale and togetherness was the best we had seen at Hillsborough for many years.
Had DJ not been as stubburn as he is and not signed all these players we would be a lot higher up the table, probably somewhere where 'Udders are.
Should we sack him? On the basis of results and the mess he has caused, YES!! But on the other hand, the managers that are available I feel (apart from Di Matteo who isnt a realistic option sadly) cannot do a better job. Plus Mandaric only seems to go for managers that are unattached a la avoiding compo. My personal choice would be the return of Megson, but that aint gonna happen with MM here, too much water under the bridge but Di Canio would be a good option, but again MM will not go for attached managers, so sadly I can see us sticking with DJ till a decent manager becomes available and to be honest I'd rather us wait till the right candidate becomes available rather than sack DJ then bring in a manager who will do no better or in other words go for the cheap option. Just hope we dont wait too long but at the same time I hope DJ takes a long hard look in the mirror, fianally gets his act together and accept that his signings havent been good enough and bring back players who know each other and will fight for each other, which I dont think will happen so basically, its gonna be a long hard season unless QPR and Stoke dont allow us to extend the loan deals for our "strike force"!!
UTMO
The trouble with Dave!!
posted on 29/11/12
Yeah, the booing was ridiculous for that, and his set piece delivery is one of the only things he seems to excel at.
But you can't blame him for not busting a gut? How is the obscene wages he's on for a reason?
posted on 29/11/12
But you can't blame him for not busting a gut? How is the obscene wages he's on for a reason?
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He certainly needs to work harder. He's lazy and idle and obviously he is to blame for that. But one bone idle right winger isnt the reason this team is in the bottom 2 is it. and thats my point.
I dont get your point about the wages. How is that his fault? Are you suggesting he asks for a pay cut?
His wages are MM and Dave Jones fault. hey agreed to those demands. Bothroyds hardly going to laugh and say "no way, you cant pay me that much, can I have less please"
posted on 29/11/12
I'm not saying his wages are his fault. I'm saying that with the rewards he gets, he has a responsibility to graft and earn it. That's why not trying is inexcusable.
What % do you think the likes of COG are on in comparison?
posted on 29/11/12
Right Poite, I never said it was all his fault like you are suggesting, I said, if you care to read it properly, that he is ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS that we are where we are currently . Had he been ar53d in the first place and not swanned about twiddleing his thumbs (no matter whatposition he has played) then we wouldnt be as damning as we are towards him, dont you get it??
Yes its not all his fault im well and truely aware of that but his onfield (and maybe off field) attitude has brushed off on other players and those waiting in the wings to replace him must be so fustrated and itching to get out there and help and GIVE THEIR ALL!!!
I agree with all those points about the "Trouble with Dave" but what I CANNOT stand are players Like Jay Cantbebotheredroyd who dont give a t055 game after game, he'd be forgiven if he had one or two games where he couldnt get into it but its EVERY game Poite and the sooner you stop defending him the better!!
Yes I layer most of the blame on DJ as he keeps picking him when there are players like Rodri, Mayor & Pecnik who want to play and give their all. But like I said, if JB gave a stuff in the first place, even if he dosnt have good games, we'd be more supportive of him!!
One last time, IM NOT SAYING ITS ALL HIS FAULT!!!
CAPEESH!!!!
posted on 29/11/12
Personally, I blame;
1) Dave Jones
2) Dave Jones
3) Dave Jones
4) Dead nuns
5) Dave Jones
6) Cats - all breeds
7) Other teams having a bit more composure up front than us
8) Dave Jones
9) Cat nuns
10) Wounded animals
11) Cornered wounded animals
12) Hurt and wounded cornered animals
13) Sir Dave Richards
14) Dave Jones
I'd consider blaming our manager Dave Jones aswell. But, there's many reasons we are staring into the abyss once more, and yes, it's certainly OK to debate how much blame Dave Jones should shoulder. Maybe all of it or perhaps 99% of it; I can't decide.
4 from me
posted on 29/11/12
Better than 3,2 or 1 's I guess Cheers Shibbs
What im trying to get across is, about 95% is DJ's for countless reasons as he IS the manager and therefore responsible for the team, the selection of the team and how we play, maybe 3% Mandaric for agreeing to sign all these shoddy signings DJ has made and 2% Bothroyd for being a lazy, greedy get!!
I mention Barthroyd a lot as I cannot stand "big time charlies " like him not giving 100% every game and bleeding us dry a la De Bilde, Sibon, Jonk ect!!
posted on 29/11/12
I've applied the BCG Matrix and my calculations say that Jones is directly responsible for our failure in the Championship we are now a dog.
MM please find your 12 bore ASAP and humanely destroy us.
posted on 29/11/12
Milan,
You're so wrong mate. Im sorry, you shouldnt take it personally but you're wrong.
"if you care to read it properly, that he is ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS that we are where we are currently"
How is he A MAIN reason??? You're right, I just dont get that? How can one play be a main factor for an entire team failing to deliver results?
"I agree with all those points about the "Trouble with Dave" but what I CANNOT stand are players Like Jay Cantbebotheredroyd who dont give a t055 game after game, he'd be forgiven if he had one or two games where he couldnt get into it but its EVERY game Poite and the sooner you stop defending him the better!! "
I agree Milan! He doesnt give a toss but its Dave Jones fault. Can he not see that? Dave Jones has to either make him give a toss or ship him back to QPR. Its Dave Jones fault.
"but his onfield (and maybe off field) attitude has brushed off on other players"
How the hell can you support that??? Is he the team mentor? Are they all a bunch of 5 year olds who jump when Jay says so? This comment in itself suggests that you believe we have more than one player with a bad attitude who doesnt care. So why isnt anyone else getting attacked in the same way?
Its just complete scapegoating mate. Shib is absolutely spot on. Dave jones is every bit responsible for this sitiuation.
Sheesh
posted on 29/11/12
Dave Jones is mostly responsible Poite, but you saying it's all down to one man - is that not scapegoating too?
It's like the bankers who landed the financial world in the toilet that it now sits. 'It's not our fault, blame the lack of regulation'. Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions FFS!! Jay Bothroyd has been brought in by DJ and has let him down badly. He takes a massive cut of the wage budget, thus effecting who else we can bring in.
That in itself, performance and team moral aside, has to have an impact on our situation.
posted on 30/11/12
Dont want to fall out Poite, yesterday I got a little fed up of the situation and said things in the heat of the moment and with little thought (particularly the "brushing off" bit). After some thought I agree with what you said. Like you say, in a way its not Bothroyds fault and he cannot help the way he is, DJ made the signing and is therefore 100% responsible for it, and he is the one that keeps picking him but it must have some detrimental effect on other players who cannot get in the side and who will do a better job and put in a good shift, if Bothroyd isnt producing, then he should make way like everyone else, just a shame that DJ cannot see that. Also its burnt a big hole in our wage budget, with the 20k p/w we are apparently paying him, we could have brought in 2-3 more players who would have given a monkeys and done a better job.