Championships from Israel (which will take place next year).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/news/9715577/Premier-League-players-call-on-Uefa-to-remove-Israel-as-European-U-21-hosts.html
You can read up more of it here.
"The group of players, from the Premier League and major leagues throughout Europe and the Far East, includes Hazard, Didier Drogba, Abou Diaby and five Newcastle players – Papiss Cissé, Cheick Tioté, Sylvain Marveaux, Yohan Cabaye and Demba Ba."
A lot of Newcastle players there. I back their opinion. UEFA were wrong to have chosen Israel for the championships. We already have FIFA doing favours for countries that need to clean up their act, and now.
What are your opinions on this? Do you think Israel should host the UEFA U21 European Championship or not? And Why?
(Admin1, if possible, can you multiboard)
PL Stars ask UEFA to Remove U21
posted on 10/12/12
Israel should be charged with war crimes, The UN stated that the Syrian regime had commited a war crime by firing high explosives into a highly populated area, Mmmm Gaza strip comes to mind, so whats the difference.
posted on 10/12/12
I'm not deluded my friend, I am a very simple man. You come at me with a knife, if I have a gun I will blow your head off.
When Hamas are ready to stop wishing death on Israel, carrying out suicide bomb attacks and stop shooting rockets into Israel, then I will support them.
I do not entirely agree with Israel's approach to the problem but so far as Hamas continues to do what they do, they should expect more reprisals from the Israeli's.
The soldier story is not dissimilar to what ours are doing as well. The soldiers have to be on guard because of suicide bombers, so they employ the shoot first, ask questions later approach. Again, I do not agree with it, but I understand where they are coming from.
We also did it in Northern Ireland and did it in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I'm still wondering why the Africans in North Africa aren't chanting death to Arabia and murdering the arabs who have stolen their land and enslaved them as well.
posted on 10/12/12
I'm off. I got to teach some classes.
posted on 10/12/12
MUDD hasn't answered whether or not the U21 championship should be hosted in Israel. Taking politics out of this and only speaking through footballing eyes the Israelis constantly interfere with the granting of exit visas for Palestinian players who will play in the Asian qualifying groups of championships.
This is one major reason why the UEFA fraternity shouldn't have considered Israel to hold the Championships there.
Lets not forget the recent chapter where the Palestinians were granted observer state status by the VAST majority of the entire planet. As Poppin says, the same body that gave Israel a state in the first place. Is that body (UN) wrong?
Israel said the vote wouldn't make any difference but opposed it anyway. Why oppose it if it makes no difference?
Israel tried to coerce the Palestinians into NOT applying for membership of the international criminal court.. This is outrageous. The ICC and its predefining bodies were created in the aftermath of the Second World War.
The Jewish state of Israel (as it is defined by its leaders) should be WELCOMING anyone who decides to join an international body that aims to being perpetrators of war crimes to justice.
Everyone seems to have forgotten about Tom Hurndall. The perpetrators of his murder (more than one person had to be involved) haven't all been brought to justice and an 8 year sentence is derogatory to Toms family.
posted on 11/12/12
MUDD, you say you are a simple man, then the conflict in the ME should be simple enough. A group of people not from the area move in and start killing people so they can take the land. The people who live in that land fight back, with whatever means possible. The palestinians have but 'Knives" against the occupiers of their nation, who have 'Guns'. They have no choice but to use what they have.
"When Hamas are ready to stop wishing death on Israel, carrying out suicide bomb attacks and stop shooting rockets into Israel, then I will support them." - I can say the same about Israel. When Israel really wants peace, and not just pay lip service, then Israel can be supported. Right now, nations like the US and the UK and organisations like UEFA reward Israel, where if it was another nation from that region, they would be isolated and punished.
"The soldier story is not dissimilar to what ours are doing as well. The soldiers have to be on guard because of suicide bombers, so they employ the shoot first, ask questions later approach. Again, I do not agree with it, but I understand where they are coming from." - People fishing, which they do every day, in the same area...I think you are actually deluded if you think these soliders believe these are suicide bombers. The Soldiers know exactly what they are doing. They see the people fish in the same area every day and when they bored start shooting because they think of Palestinians as anything as human. You can try to cover up the facts, but quite a lot of the killings have been random, no warning and no threat posed. I remember an image i saw of a palestinian man, first he is arrested, stripped and then shot dead. Was that a shoot first ask question sort of situation? And before you say We do it as well, when we do such actions on civilians, we try to bring them to justice. Israel doesn't.
"I'm still wondering why the Africans in North Africa aren't chanting death to Arabia and murdering the Arabs who have stolen their land and enslaved them as well." - Maybe because they didn't completely subjegate them, maybe because they weren't trying to wipe them out and push them all out of their homeland, maybe because it has happened so long ago, and there is now a mix of Arab and African blood in North Africa. If you really are trying to figure it out, you are more 'Simple' than your posts suggests.
posted on 11/12/12
Everyone seems to have forgotten about Tom Hurndall. The perpetrators of his murder (more than one person had to be involved) haven't all been brought to justice and an 8 year sentence is derogatory to Toms family.
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The killer, who was an expert marksman, first lied, and then admitted to a policy of shooting at unarmed civilians existing at that time. He has been released in 2010, so served only 5 years of his sentnece.
Shoot first and don't bother asking any questions, as they don't care.
posted on 11/12/12
Remember what happened to Yugoslavia in 1992? Kicked out of the euros...
Why not do the same to Israel?
Oh I tell you why because Israel will come out with accusations of anti-Semitism.
I support and applaud those footballers that say they shouldn't hold the u21 championship in Israel.
posted on 11/12/12
Poppin is it trendin on twitter to change the venue?
posted on 12/12/12
I can't get on Twitter where I am at. It's blocked.
posted on 12/12/12
Ok Poppin. There's a hash tag #redcardisrael which seems to have taken