Here we go again!

Let us all just hope that Fawaz learn's from his mistakes and we move into a period of coaching and management stability. He need's to have a considered and costed project plan drawn up and then he should stick to it. How can you run a football club without a Chief Executive or Chief Scout? Appoint the right people to do the hand's on stuff and then sit back and let them do what their best at.
That after all is what Senior Management should be about!

"Let us all just hope that Fawaz learn's from his mistakes and we move into a period of coaching and management stability"

The rest of my post a bit too difficult for you to wrap your pea brain around then vidal?

"pea brain"

Fawaz should do himself a favour and not read twitter any more, it is full of the most obnoxious, self entitled, illiterate morons you could ever have the misfortune to share a planet with, who think that they have the right to demand that Fawaz listen to them and do exactly as they say. Most of them are alarmingly young too.

CSS,

I agree that Swansea have done exceptionally well. However, the expectations there are completely different to Forest. We could never have gone to the bottom of League Two and then worked back up. Because Swansea are a 'small' club, they could get to that position before something was done and then could completely restructure and re-evaluate their position. If Forest were on the slide then something or someone would intervene much earlier and it would be a much bigger news story. Thre is so much more pressure at a bigger club and I think it would be much harder for Forest to 'do a Swansea', even though it might be the best option. In some ways, Derby are doing what Swansea did in terms of going back to basics. However, Derby don't have an inspirational owner who is able to bring in revolutionary managers like Martinez, Sousa, Rodgers etc. What Derby do have is a decent youth set up so maybe that will work for them.

css

caniggia
I disagree with you slightly. Swansea may be a 'small' club, but they have been run properly. You can be a big club, but be run irresponsibly. You still need to have a plan/strategy in place.

Everything is relative. Some Derby fans wonder why we aren't in the PL, see the Championship as demeaning, are impatient that Clough hasn't done more, rather than seeing that the club must stabilise and build a platfrom, re-evaluating its position.

Similarly, Forest went back to basics in League 1, had the much maligned transfer acquisitions panel, bought shrewdly (Chambers) and had a core of home-grown players (Morgan, Perch & McGugan).

It should be remembered that Swansea & Forest were promoted at the same time, yet one is now in the PL. It isn't necessarily about expectations, but having a plan in place, sticking to it, like having a set pattern of play making change less disruptive. I'm sure Swansea fans' expectations have increased, as is human nature. It is about having faith in your plan when others are critical and then being vindicated by the final results (we could learn this at Derby where Clough is deemed to have made no progress yet probably has got our Academy working to its best level since I can remember as a fan since the mid 80s).

You might be interested in quote from Huw Jenkins. Jenkins refers to an incident in a game between yourselves and his team. It wasn't just about 'expectations', but having the intelligence to buy into what the club was trying to do.

(Apologies, it is from the Daily Mail, but it does make a good point)

"Initially in League One we didn't really play with that system, but when we got into the Championship with Roberto we asked ourselves how we were going to compete with sides spending a lot of money, who had physical players.


Trying to monopolise possession was our answer.


'There was always a vision of a passing game. Our crowd accept that, it's not just some of us. Our crowd want the ball to come out from the keeper, they want us to take eight passes across the back.

'When we went up to Forest (in the play-off semi-final), once their centre half was free with the ball the crowd were willing him to get that ball into the box. The crowd dictate at times. The fact that this area accepts it shows something of how we've all been brought up. As much as you want to win, there are ways to win.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1392186/How-destitute-ducklings-grew-Swanselona.html#ixzz2JwQ5cUiP

That quote is alluding to the fact that we desperately needed to win that home tie as Swansea had a man sent off and we were drawing. In the last 10 mins of a semi-final like that, fans of any team in the world (Spain, Barcelona etc) would be urging the centre half to lump it into the box. I'm not saying Forest were playing particularly good football during that period, because we weren't, but it's rubbish to suggest the fans were happy with hoofbal, which is basically what Jenkins is trying to have a pop at.

Of course you need a plan in place, but what I'm saying is that it's easier to stick to the plan (through the ups and downs) if you're a smaller club with smaller expectations.

Regarding ‘smaller clubs’ & expectations. I think you make a valid point because some of our fans have used Blackpool as an example, about getting promotion, whereas their expectations probably were lower (survival in the Championship). The pressure was off them, allowing them a bit of freedom. Now there is probably a sense of expectation at Bloomfield Road and the team is less successful.

But their fluke promotion contrasts with Swansea, who had improved each season, making a challenge more likely. Who is to say that if they had lost to you, they would have gone on to win auto promotion next time?

It is easier at clubs with less expectation, but maybe we also play our parts, because fans can perhaps have too many expectations. What is the point about casting envious glances at the PL when Derby, for instance, have spent 9/10 seasons in the second tier (two play-off campaigns, the others bottom half apart from last season). The first aim is to become one of the established sides in the division.

The same with Forest, out of the PL since ’99.

It’s been frustrating following Derby, but I’m glad – now – that our much maligned board, GSE, at least did not press the panic button in 2011 after losing to Forest (double including a thrashing), Crawley, six home defeats out of 7 and about one win over the winter. Under most circumstances, small club (look at Notts Co, sacking someone for losing a game at the bottom team) or big, Clough would have got the sack. And now we’re perhaps benefiting from that patience, partly caused by the realisation that few managers could do better under the circumstances he was working under.

Yep you've got to go through hard times to reap the benefits in the long term. Swansea had to hit rock bottom to turn things around and now look at them. Derby could potentially reap the benefits of sticking with Clough and the youth system, particularly if they hold onto their players. Forest don't have any patience amongst the fans and certainly not the owners.