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Good & Bad OS

First of all lets congratulate West Ham on becoming one of the tenants of the OS. It might in most people's eyes be a Pyrrhic victory in the long term!

As a life long Spurs fan I did not want us to move out of the Haringey/Enfield area, even though economically the OS move would have saved the club £200m or so & the taxpayer would have recouped a large chunk of its outlay on the OS.

The key elements going forward for me are as follows:

What return will LLDC get in regard to WHU's turnover & income at the OS. It makes commercial sense to tie any rental agreement in with commercial success and attendances.

Is the £40m invested by Newham Council subject to audit? Would it constitute a breach of EU Regulations? This is not a regeneration investment, it is an investment in a private concern.

What impact on West Ham will there be if they get relegated in the next two years?

How much is the Boleyn worth? Especially as West Ham do not apparently own the land it is built on?

What sell on clauses have LLDC put into place, as the OS will obviously make the club a more attractive proposition going forward. The interesting thing is that it will be the OS making WHU more attractive, not the football!

The benefit to a move to the Olympic Stadium is simple and mostly financial at its root. The amenities, facilities, and surrounding areas of the stadium will supposedly gather a larger following for any occupants it houses. Furthermore, the larger physical size of the stadium will allow for greater advertising and marketing capacities. In short, the overarching driver behind any move to the Olympic Stadium is that it will guarantee more yearly income.

Where are WHU going to to get the additional supporters required to fill a 60,000 seater stadium? They have averaged roughly just over 34,000 in the past 5 PL seasons,Again, very respectable indeed, but still around 1,000 below its maximum capacity. Given this, Gold and Sullivan had better be absolutely certain that West Ham will be able to immediately draw significantly larger crowds in a 60,000 seater Olympic Stadium. At the very least, the added attendance would have to be substantial enough to justify an added yearly rental expense of some £2.5 million

It begs the question - if Upton Park was not able to fill 35,016 seats consistently over the past 5 years, will a very expensive move to the Olympic Stadium guarantee enough of an immediate and large enough attendance hike to justify the great costs?

Furthermore, while increased advertising and marketing can be cited as reasons to offset the rental expenses, the attendance question still plays a part. As other clubs in Europe, and more recently the World Cup in South Africa has shown in its Stadia, sponsors are ultimately attracted through the popularity and attendance of a club, rather than simply more blank boards being available. Again, supply and demand is the key.

At its current state, sponsors compete with one another to secure their advertising space in a stadium like Upton Park. As a result, each advertising board in Upton Park will bring in more through this competition.

In the hypothetical scenario that West Ham United in the Olympic Stadium averages about 45,000 in attendance out of 60,000 (subjectively speaking, a generous estimated hike of 10,000), will sponsors still compete for that space and drive up the revenue per board? Again, the assumption that sponsorship revenue will definitely increase requires second thought given the massive financial ramifications of the move.

GOOD LUCK WEST HAM!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 22/3/13

Basically tis all about accountability.

If someone non-state was liable for costs if the stadium shell was not sold off, then you would guarantee a design more akin to what Caborn is going on about, would have happened.

comment by whu606 (U10850)

posted on 22/3/13

Caborn's main gripe in that article isn't that we got it, it's that football use should have been built into the original plans, rather than insisting it would be an athletics stadium capable of self-funding.

As to Mr Boff's

"The deal should be scrapped immediately and a commercially viable alternative explored as a matter of urgency."

Er, doesn't he think the LLDC have been trying to do just that?

We may not be the best solution, but we are the best that is on offer.

If the LLDC and the Govt are having to bend over to accommodate us, them's the breaks.

posted on 22/3/13

"We may not be the best solution, but we are the best that is on offer."

So you claim (you see how it works ?? ) .

posted on 22/3/13

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posted on 22/3/13

Bitter Spu.ds answer to this question.

If you think there is another option to get more revenues for this white elephant aka OS than West Ham moving there, why don't you suggest it LLDC? Your name will be written with golden letters outside OS.

comment by whu606 (U10850)

posted on 22/3/13

RDBD

It's called 'inference'.

This is how it works:

Bids were invited

The LLDC considered all the bids and picked ours

Ego, it was the best bid on offer

Unless you imagine that they turned down other, better deals, just for us?

And that those bidders are now keeping quite about it for mysterious reasons?

comment by whu606 (U10850)

posted on 22/3/13

Ego?

Sorry , I don't know what I was thinking.

Ergo...

posted on 22/3/13

" It's called 'inference'."

Given that you don't POSSESS the exact details of BOTH bids, you cannot "infer" anything.

So again, you see how it works.

When you are in possession of sufficient facts (as I am re my comments on an EC state aid challenge) , then debate accordingly. Otherwise I suggest following the Usenet convention and adding "IMHO" to what you write.

comment by whu606 (U10850)

posted on 22/3/13

Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of inference.

If i possessed all the details of both bids, I wouldn't be inferring.

My inference may be incorrect, but I would suggest it is the most likely one, and perfectly valid.

From the fact that

They invited bids in a process open to public scrutiny

I can infer that they picked the best bid

Our bid was the one picked

So from that I can infer that ours was the best bid received

Other possible inferences:

They invited bids

They wanted to choose West Ham

They picked a bid that was not the best on offer

OR

They invited bids

They hadn't got a clue what they were doing

They were bamboozled by West Ham representatives

Hope that helps.

posted on 22/3/13

I honestly would have minded us taking on the OS. Tottenham, the neighbourhood, isn't what it used to be like in my Grandads days. Aside from WHL it really is a sh!!!thole.

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