I agree that if a referee has seen it then the player should not be punished. The refs rule the game their decision should be final. However why does it end there. If foy saw Agurro stamp then he has made a clear mistake and he should apologise and be reprimanded in someway. If
He saw it... It's a clear red. Not debatable but a red every day of the week. Let's start holding refs accountable then the standard will improve
Retrospective
posted on 15/4/13
If it was a bad tackle and the ref saw it then i understand the whole they can't take further action rubbish.
But what aguero did was pretty much assault, no intention of playing the ball and went in to deliberately hurt Luiz. Football should follow rugby and cite players for these things
posted on 15/4/13
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posted on 15/4/13
it makes a total farce of the rules and its far too arbitrary as it allows the referee to cop out. No hard feelings against Aguero, he is a lucky boy but something similar happened with Rooney a couple of seasons ago when he elbowed a Wigan player in the face. The rules are stupid and need changing.
posted on 15/4/13
Agreed, a panel should be set up to deal with incidents like this.
posted on 15/4/13
"But what aguero did was pretty much assault"
Not defending what he did, but I can tell you with some certainty, it's pretty much NOT assault.
The respect campaign is already enough of a joke without public inquests into every poor decision that's made each week, not a place I think we want to go to be honest.
The rules surrounding retrospective punishment are in need of change, but it's important that referees are allowed to maintain some degree of integrity.
posted on 15/4/13
To be honest if the Fa didn't give the ref's their backing and left them out to dry every time they got a decision wrong, who would want to become a ref? They are already in short supply as it is
posted on 15/4/13
It's not about leaving them out to dry, but making sure that the correct decisions are made. There are 2 main problems:
1) Making sure the refs get the respect that they deserve, not some token gesture from players and managers, but making sure that players and managers behave in a manner that is aforded to other officials in other sports
2) Making sure that glaringly bad decisions are rectified after matches, and applying some common sense, rather than hiding behind some technicality. Refs make mistakes, it's a fact of life, just as players and managers do. Accept this, because there's nothing worse than trying to justify a ref decision that is blatantly wrong - it's not about undermining refs, it's about getting the correct decisions made.
posted on 15/4/13
Wow gratedbean, were you really saying that back when the Rooney incident happened?
If he saw it then the FA are powerless to do anything about it because of their own rules and they have to at the very least follow their own rules.
The problem with having incidents reviewed in such a way is it could start getting silly with the amount of incidents they could have to start reviewing...
Not saying it is a terrible idea but it could have some drawbacks.
posted on 16/4/13
Have a review for violent incidents such as that and the Rooney elbow.
We can already have players appeal ban for a red card. We could have teams appeal to the FA if a violent conduct happens and a red isn't shown.
posted on 16/4/13
Just to clarify, I meant that similar to rugby you have the equivalent of a citing commissioner - so he can review the more serious matters, and then make a judgement call on them. He can simply make a note of them as he watches the match - I don't actually think there would be that many controversial incidents to review where he can make a retrospective decision after the game has ended, and hopefully it could rectify any wrongful / missed dismissals.