Hi guys, I like to think of myself as a reasonable person and I’m open to new ideas, thoughts etc. However, I’m a man of principle and I’m fiercely loyal to the club I support. I appreciate that not all of our players are United fans and have no problems with anyone who wants to leave the club; all I ask is that they do it quietly and with some class and/or dignity.
This brings me to one of our best players, Wayne Rooney who has been in the news again wanting to leave our club. There is nothing wrong with him wanting to leave, if he goes, he leaves with my blessing. What currently irritates me are people who seem to be making excuses for his deplorable behaviour. I was quite surprised SAF let him stay after the 2010 debacle another sign that the great man was on the wane.
Wayne Rooney has given us a decade of service and I’m grateful for that but his antics about leaving the club is disgraceful and with all due respect to my fellow posters, the way he’s defended for doing this is actually a lot more disgraceful.
We are United, no one is bigger than the club and we do not have to stand by the antics of this imbecile. He slated the club, team mates and all of us for courting City in 2010 and has asked to leave again. Why are people making excuses for the plank? I’m sorry but no one is bigger than United and for the good of us all, he needs to be thanked for his service and sold. Whether people want to believe it or not, he’s on the decline and isn’t worth the wages he’s on. Whatever drama he’s going through, he can take the act somewhere else. I thank him for his service but United has to move on, we have lost better and grown from strength to strength.
I’m sick and tired of the excuses being made for him. If he had any respect for the club and the fans who rabidly defend him he would have handled himself better.
So in summary, I’m a fully paid up member of Team United and would like to know why the people that continue to defend this idiot, do? And would also like to know whether they are United fans or Rooney fans. If we are all United fans, is Rooney’s behaviour acceptable? If it isn’t why do you persist in your excuses for him?
Team United versus Team Rooney
posted on 24/6/13
"I've said it all along, the RVP was a strange signing, yes he was our best player this season and he won us the league and I'm glad we bought him but it instantly put a question mark over Rooney's future which has never been solved."
Spot on.
posted on 24/6/13
Actually I think the RVP signing was genius from Sir Alex.
He saw that Rooney was (all round game) in decline and was unwilling for the club to sign Rooney onto another contract and bought Kagawa and RVP to replace him with real quality.
Then when Rooney leaves we have his replacements at the club already and saved ourselves the drama of Rooney leaving with the fans because most just don't care anymore.
posted on 24/6/13
Say what you want about him, but there's no evidence that he courted Man City in 2010, that was seemingly all paper talk.
He also made his request to leave privately to the club, rather than publicly, which is hardly in keeping with acting 'deplorably'.
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This is where it becomes a matter of perspective and it becomes necessary to read between the lines. I'll address each point separately.
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- The 'paper talk' about City was persistent and out of the blue. At the time I dismissed it as BS rumours but then the press asked SAF about Roo and he confirmed that Roo had asked to leave. I.e. SAF only confirmed that Roo had asked to leave AFTER persistent paper talk forced him to. So where did the rumours come from in the first place if the discussion was a private internal one?
- Do you honestly believe that Roo would publicly announce that he wanted to leave if he had no idea where he would end up? Anyone with any sense will line up another job before quitting the current one. Or are we to believe that Wayne didn't care what club he ended up at as long as it wasn't United?
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- The "lack of ambition" press release was very carefully worded by Wayne's PR people AFTER SAF had confirmed that he wanted to leave. What else do you expect him to say once the cat is out the bag? They capitalised on the g&g stuff and came out with the only excuse that they could in order to avoid the wrath of the fans (and generate sympathy from some of them). If I was a member of the Roo PR team I would have written something very similar myself, regardless of the "truth".
- SAF gave no reason why Wayne wanted to leave and had to be told by the media that it was due to lacl of ambition. Now I ask you to watch that interview and then tell me - did SAF know about this "reason" or did it come as a surprise to him? He looked to me as though he was neither aware of that reason nor did he believe it. "How many trophies have I won?" was his uncharacteristic response.
- This suggests to me that "lack of ambition" had not been discussed with the manager at all. If it had been then why was it not resolved? Rooney "apologists" keep saying that the Glazers assured Roo that they had ambition so he stayed. Now, aside from the fact this sounds like bollox, consider it carefully...why did the manager and the club wait until this was all out in the public before giving Wayne his assurances? Could it be because it was the first they had ever heard of this "lack of ambition" excuse? Or are we supposed to believe that the Glazers only decided to "have ambition" when they realised they could lose Wayne? All of a sudden they decided to become ambitious just for Wayne?
- SAF has insisted countless times that he has never been denied funds to sign players. If this discussion had ever taken place with Roo then of course SAF would reiterate this - just as he did repeatedly to the media and the fans. So we therefore MUST conclude that Roo was calling the manager a liar in public. If I publicly contradicted my boss like that I would be sacked for sure. And Wayne also did it with that injury he pretended not to have.
IN SUM:-
1) It may or may not have been City but Wayne must surely have been flirting with someone because he was prepared to burn his bridges. Also, there is no smoke without fire and the rumours about wanting to leave were spot on - so why not the City rumours? They delighted in taking Tevez from us so they would have creamed themselved if they had managed to sign Roo.
2) I think I have explained why Roo's behaviour was indeed deplorable - when you actually take the time to think it through properly.
posted on 25/6/13
That's it. Its official. Redmisty is the best posted on this site.
posted on 25/6/13
posted on 25/6/13
Kind of funny.
The worst poster on this site anointing the best poster
posted on 26/6/13
If Wayne didn't want to leave because he felt the club had shown a lack of ambition, then why do you think he wanted to leave?
He signed the same contract he was offered previously by United so he didn't profit financially from it.
Also there were rumours linking him with every club in Europe pretty much, so just taking note of the City rumours is pretty biased.
Basically, my point is that Rooney didn't do anything that is unusually reprehensible for a footballer. He thought he was on a sinking ship and he attempted to jump. If you are willing to admit that footballers aren't playing out of loyalty and they're in it for their own career then there's nothing you can really blame him for. The reason there was such an outcry was because he was the only good thing going for our club at the time.
Also, on the current saga. Rooney didn't refuse to play, Ferguson's quote was...
"I don't think Wayne was keen to play, simply because he has asked for a transfer,"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22502958
Hardly refusing to play. Ferguson (quite rightly) left him out the team to send a message.
posted on 26/6/13
I don't think Wayne was keen to play
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I think that's a pretty clear statement.
I don't care whether he was flirting with City or another club - that isn't my point. The point is he had months to discuss the "ambition" issue with the manager, club and owners yet he apparently didn't until AFTER this was all out in the open.
Why do you suppose that is?
In the meantime, the whole world somehow knew that he wanted to leave before it was announced. How do you suppose that rumour got out?
I think I've already explained very clearly why I think his behaviour was reprehensible and I see no reason to repeat everything I said.
posted on 26/6/13
And my point is that you're basically speculating with very little to go on other than hunches that you have formed from a limited amount of information.
"I don't think Wayne was keen to play, SIMPLY BECAUSE HE HAS ASKED FOR A TRANSFER"
Look, I support the fact that Ferguson left him out the team, but it's obvious that Wayne only asked to leave because he wanted to play.
posted on 26/6/13
obvious that Wayne only asked to leave because he wanted to play.
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I don't doubt that and never said otherwise. However, I have frequently stated that Roo has hardly ever been dropped or subbed in his time at United - and only a handful of times this season so I think it is disrespectful (to his teammates) and excessive to throw his toys around on account of a lack of appearances.
This is also only one very minor point that I made among several others to explain why I think Roo has been disrespectful so, no, I am not just forming hunches and speculating. I am critically assessing the situation as I see it and applying common sense arguments to back up my viewpoint. None of which you have refuted apart from debating the semantics of one sentence. However you read that sentence, SAF obviously concluded that Roo didn't want to play for us. Who are we to question that conclusion?
Most of my comments above were also in relation to the 2010 incident in any case.