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a fantastic stat for you to ponder
amazingly Lewis Hamilton has now passed the number of poles taken by that all time great and 5 times World Driver's Champion, Juan Manuel Fangio.
this is an accurate reflection of the skill level of Lewis. considering how Fangio moved from team to team to always get the best equipment and Lewis has driven some dogs from mclaren the achievment is all the more remarkable.
by coincidence, I haven't bothered to check this, it isn't important to me, i believe he has also eclipsed senna's hungaroring record.
bearing in mind many of senna's mclaren's were the class of the field that fact throws Lewis' skill into even sharper focus.
we are indeed privileged to witness the performances of this great driver, who, like Jim Clark before him, is completely and utterly, totally and without qualification, whimless.
your thoughts, good members of the forum?
Lewis beats Juan and senna
posted on 29/7/13
Checking......................
posted on 30/7/13
Schumacher didn't win in his first season. It was Fangio who won every year for his first seven years...... and now Lewis
posted on 30/7/13
"Schumacher didn't win in his first season. It was Fangio who won every year for his first seven years...... and now Lewis"
Schumacher debuted in 91 at Spa but won in 92.
Now, technically........That is a win in his first full season. Although as it took over a season it is not a win in his first season.
I'll be a little bit kind here and say that Ayrton Senna would have won at Monaco in 84.......
But was unlucky.
However, Hamilton joining Fangio must be a bit special for Lewis.
posted on 31/7/13
Hamilton went straight into a top team from day 1. That helps im sure Alonso, Vettel, or any top driver would have done that if they had a top car from day one.
posted on 31/7/13
"Hamilton went straight into a top team from day 1"
So did Fangio.
And Hamilton has not had the best car every year, "top" team, or not.
Both had demonstrated the requisite talent and got the deserved drives.
From that time on their level of talent demonstrated their massive talent and has maintained their position in the eyes of team managers.
It is difficult to argue that they didn't deserve the cars they got, plainly, because they won races with them.
It is be equally difficult to argue that other drivers also deserved the chance Fangio and Hamilton had earned themselves, especially as the entire field of entrants in the respective years did not offer any other driivers the same opportunity.
An alternative debate is, of course, that every driver has had the chance to demonstrate their ability and win in their first season, and following years, but only Fangio and Hamilton have succeeded.
posted on 31/7/13
Alonso, maybe, Vettel, no chance. He's only winning because his car is better than everyone elses. When it isn't he doesn't win. If you actually follow his career, you can see that he's only looked decent in Newey cars.
posted on 31/7/13
comment by (U16993) “Hamilton went straight into a top team from day 1. That helps im sure Alonso, Vettel, or any top driver would have done that if they had a top car from day one.”
Since 2007 we have been trying hard to deal with such ill informed comments as the one posted by (U16993).
McLaren are indeed a “top team” currently struggling to keep up with a fizzy drinks company, a company called Genii (on the verge of bankruptcy) and Force India.
Driving for a “top team” is no guarantee of success. I could quote examples of drivers going to the “top team” and failing, but what is the point. Tomorrow someone else will pop up and post the same nonsense.
So, in desperation, I will ask this question of (U16993) Which driver does he think should have got that McLaren drive in 2007.
I do not expect an answer because since 2007 not a single forum member has been able to come up with any credible alternative to Lewis Hamilton.
posted on 31/7/13
It is ridiculous to think such talents as Ronnie Peterson starting his Grand Prix career in a private March in 1970 and not winning his first race until France 1973, but it happened.
Rindt took far too long to win his first race win, arguably, so did Lauda, but the fault isn't necessarily theirs, of course.
In Rindt's case, "Motor Sport" doyen, DSJ, stated he would shave his beard off if Rindt ever won a race.
Rindt won the 69 American, having been a works F1 driver since 1965(!), and DSJ duly obliged.
This is the problem with statistics, they are figures from which many conclusions can be drawn.
Top teams, aren't always special, anybody joining Ferrari in 65, 67, 69, 73, 86, or 87, there may be years I have missed, (perhaps 88 should go in there, a lucky win in the Italian was their only success) would have found them less than a top team.
Sadly, the 2009 McLaren (and Ferrari) was lamentable.
While Hamilton forced a win from it in Hungary Monza is far more representative of Hamilton's desire for success, and it is that that got him a top team in the first place and possibly has some bearing on this particular statistic.
posted on 31/7/13
Statistics do not provide answers, they are used to enable people to ask questions.
The one trick pony fool repeatedly declares that time is running out for Lewis Hamilton winning another WDC.
Well Graham Hill and Jack Brabham won one 6 years after they won the last one, and Niki Lauda took 7 years. So all is not lost.
Apart from people thinking Monaco is low downforce. But then, what do kids know.
posted on 1/8/13
"Well Graham Hill and Jack Brabham won one 6 years after they won the last one, and Niki Lauda took 7 years..."
(Brabham's first was '59 and his last '66)
Fangio's first title was 51 and his last 57, bearing in mind he didn't even sit in a Grand Prix car until he was 39!
There again Jack Brabham was as competative in the year he retired (1970) at 44 years old as he was when he started in F1 in the 50's.
Of course, Alonso is older than Hamilton and he won his last litle in 2006 and the way things are going......