England forwards better than Welbeck

'Lambert' - I mean, you don't get more Scottish than that.

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Not unless there's a player called Carlsberg Special Brew.

Zaha wasn't that great when he came on either. I don't rate his crossing ability.

You forgot Matt Jarvis

Zaha is worse than Welbeck.

I haven't seen enough of Zaha really, but I can't imagine he could be worse.

I'll make a serious post on this wum post.

The following are better strikers: Rooney, Walcott and Sturridge.

The following are better finishers: Lambert, Defoe, Bent and Crouch.

Welbeck is a better player than those finishers and better allround player than Walcott. If he adds finishing, then he will be behind Rooney and Sturridge.

Endland's best strikers are Rooney, Sturridge, Lambert and then Walcott.

I wouldn't even say he's a better all round player than Walcott TBH.

"Better all round player" is such an easy get out.

What does he do that makes him such a good all round player?

If Heskey could added finishing he would've been world class. If I can add technique, skills, pace, dribbling, and finishing I would be Messi.

Welbeck is now better than all of these players.