Sebastian Vettel

If its not on Wiki, he won't know it mate.

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Not many people become champions in lesser cars but at least you can see when others are in lesser cars how they perform, a question mark still hanging over the stat man that is Vettel

Cemented in history?

F1 results are their for all to see.

When looking back at this period I think that commentators will write chapters about how Newey was brilliant and how the main opposition completely failed to challenge him. I doubt very much if they will come out with a comment as glib as “Webber showed how good Vettel was.

He might be German but he ain’t no Schumacher.

"I don't think many drivers become champions in lesser cars do they.Vettel has already cemented his name in F1 history.Looking like four times in a row and still only 26"

I can well remember the days when people thought Fangios five titles would never be passed.

There is absolutely no reason now why a young driver, getting in the right team and having the luck to choose correctly could not win every championship he takes part in.

It IS unlikely, but then so was beating Fangio.

The fact is it does seem that the "job" is getting easier and will continue to do so.

As such no matter how many titles a driver wins, it is becoming more relevant to make allowances for the mechanical advantage than it ever used to be.

When Schumacher was winning championships he gained from a team that was testing when no others were, latest rules have shown the massive advantage of that, a tyre company working virtually for his company and no other, again, recent developments have shown the advantage of best use of tyres, and a subservient team-mate which Vettel has not had, but again, recent events have made certain aspects of "parity" at Red Bull questionable.

If only somebody like Gilles Villeneuve was still around, "I don't care about the championship, I drive each race to win"!

Statistics will always impress but they aren't the whole story, we all know that.

Was Schumacher ever the greatest driver?

Not in my book and as winning championships becomes apparently more reliant on the car, and less on the driver so the value decreases.

Talk about "lesser" cars"?

Jackie Stewart's short wheel base Tyrrells were never a match for the Lotus 72 on any fast circuit.

He showed up knowing he was playing a losing game.

He still managed to win two championships with them.

But then when you are talking about a driver who drove and won the 1971 Monaco Grand Prix with no rear brakes, you just know THAT is a special driver.

"But for 1971 the team built their own car and again Stewart dominated. Of six wins, the best was at Monaco, when he won by 25 seconds, setting a lap record a second faster than his own pole position time, in a car with only front brakes. "

Whole thing,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19631769

And I don't rate Stewart as the greatest but I have seen nothing so remarkable from Vettel.

He is good, can't, and don't want to deny it.

But great? He has done nothing extraordinary with the equipment he has been given, IMO, although he has been more consistant


Look how good a damaged Red Bull was last season in Sao Paulo.
Yes, he has beaten Webber, but Webber has suffered a long period of confidence sapping "events".

Vettel has only had full support from his friends in the team.

Anyway, I haven't booed him, but many have. Perhaps it is time to consider quite why he is so unpopular.

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"I think Vettel will be remembered a bit more than Newey somehow,..."

Seeing the tv coverage each gets that is no surprise, the activity is the race, not designing the car, but that doesn't automatically make Vettel the greatest contributor to the success of Red Bull.

We are a bit into the Frank Williams quote, "Drivers are a bit like light bulbs, one goes and you get another one".

He thought more highly of Patrick Head and has, sadly, been proved right on that front!

WTCBU

see you still havent explained how a car can rotate thru a corner -

if it is such a " basic skill " that is taught to any driver why dont you explain what it is and why is it all the drivers are not doing it
----------- over to you

WTCBU

still waiting for you to explain how a car can rotate thru a corner --
--- or are you going to run away from me again

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