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if stone cold returns for 1 more match it would not be wasted on orton, it would be against the one everyone wants

His lighter schedule renders his size redundant from a health standpoint, nor does it directly effect his quality of matches. His main in-ring problems currently are pacing and crispness of delivery (though that's improving), but again, those issues aren't the end of the world. Cena still has pacing problems in the ring despite being in the company 10+ years now. Long as he has someone to carry him he'll have great matches.

I'd rather see Orton/Austin than Austin/Punk in the ring, gimme that on the mic (which said storyline could easily incorporate ).

Completely agree with the Austin Orton stuff. Thing is Randy has a history as a legend killer and although he has become the viper with schizophrenia, he still holds that notoriety for me anyway.

if the E were clever they would use Orton as they used cena in the attitude transition to PG.
By having an establishment guy feuding with the most notorious establishment anti establishment guy would be amazing as a creative launchpad to a new era.


Austin Orton at the Rumble then Orton Taker at Mania...then Orton Punk at Survivor series....ahhh the dream.

That's the most advantageous element of this cooperate angle. It's magnified the divide that forms the foundations of what this present era (post attitude era) is about - the battle between mainstream and counter culture. The Cena/Batista era was so horrible because 'counter culture' had no credible representation (The Miz was about as good as it got) until Punk stepped up..... but even then, despite the product demonstrating subtle improvements you can only go so far with 2 real megastars (unless those 2 men have the drawing power Rock & Austin did).

Now, in it's simplest form, team's mainstream and counter culture have 2 very strong representatives who each portray very different outlooks on their brands of mainstream and counter cultureness - you'll never mistake Cena with Orton nor Punk with Bryan. This is good stuff.

It's still real to me damnit.

diamond like I mentioned before, its not about the product being real. As adults its about justifying our subjectivity as kids.

Regarding the 2 current culture reps which could work in the short term, but the E needs more though. Randy doesn't have the modern cynicism and burning apathy of modern culture, his push should have been given to CM Punk if they wanted a more lucid representation of modern sub culture.

Here is a question tho, who would be the perfect antithesis? The perfect face for the current product? What traits, angles or narrative entity?

Steve Blackman

Orton isn't now nor has ever been a representation of sub-culture (shouldn't be mistaken with simply being a good Cena alternate). His look, ring manner and especially his mic work don't do anything to challenge WWE's ideal framework of a star - and by extension the system's ideal product. Follow K.I.S.S formula with everything except your look...... he's a mainstream boy

The main ideology in modern culture is a philosophy of challenging social contrasts. Why do you think fashion's like 'geek chic' exist? We live in this culture where significant pockets of it are determined to embrace their individuality rather than adapting to the world around them. Factions of people who are hell-bent on believing intellect and/or moral authority are more valuable traits than present ability - the wrestling community racks in these people in massive herds


Here is a question tho, who would be the perfect antithesis? The perfect face for the current product? What traits, angles or narrative entity?
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That is a damn good question. Without giving it any predominate thought, the easy answer to satisfy everyone's psychological expectations would be a mainstream heel character backed up with a phenomenal writing team (and before Digby goes off the deep end, no not Orton ).

Making a CM Punk or a Daniel Bryan the face of a company at this point would be just as bold a statement as this PG era has been. It would embrace one demographic but outright cut others off (would alienate me for sure). Your correct when you persistently touch on the general cynicism of society, as a culture we seem happier rejecting something than believing it without any evidence to form an objective opinion either way (even when we choose to believe, it comes across like general rebellion rather than actual belief), all of which sets the table for a potential cross demographic megastar heel who we'd rather boo out the building than take into our hearts, at least in his infancy of his critical first world title run push. He'd need to NOT be a weasel heel (especially WWE's horrible take on the weasel heel), someone like a Brock Lesnar of 2003-04 would be what's required, though said wrestler would need far superior mic skills and a slightly less home grown look to him (less Charlie Haas, more Antonio Cesaro facial complexion).

You should definitely start an article on this, think we'd get some interesting responses.

Stone Cold's heel character after WM17 would be perfect

Mike - I was only having the crack and my earlier 'it's real to me damnit' wasn't really related to anything in the thread at all. I do enjoy reading the thought-out posts here but tend to refrain from adding my own input mainly due to most of my time being spent on here being whilst at work.