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Groves drops a few hints tonight on booth!

He said 'I cant work with someone I dont TRUST or RESPECT! He also said 'Its nice to work with someone now (paddy) who is not money motivated or self obsessed with his own image!' Also when he went to paddy the first thing he asked him before he wanted to involve him was 'Do you think I can beat Froch??' when he said 'yes' that was it!

Putting all these clues together I think Booth didnt want him to take the fight because he didnt believe Groves could beat Froch and was concerned it would damage his own reputation as a trainer if he lost!

As it happens booths screwed now anyway, hes lost his bright new thing in groves and now his meal ticket has retired I bet he wishes he had taken that gamble with Groves!

posted on 20/11/13

Haye hasn't retired.

But if the boxer has lost confidence in his trainer its best to part ways.

posted on 21/11/13

I think Booth is very overrated in the UK, who else besides Haye has he brough to world champion level? His stable of fighters is not very large and I'm always a little suspicious of that.

He comes across as a bit of a self promoter who like the limelight but he is tactically very astute and gives his fighters a good gameplan going into a fight.

For me he reminds me a bit of Hatton's first trainer Billy Graham where the fighter has dragged the trainer to the elite level not the other way around.

posted on 21/11/13

Spot on kneerash

David Haye was a freak who had punching power and amazing speed and let's not forget Booth was in Hayes corner when he gassed out against Carl Thompson.

posted on 21/11/13

Very good point. I don't know the full extent of booth's roster to be fair, but who else does real note does he train? Add to the fact that although he's helped train a world champ, the heavyweight division is hardly loaded with loads of quality.

posted on 21/11/13

I don't rate Haye at heavyweight never did but I'm not a fan of him and that hampers my judgement a little.

But he was an exceptional cruiserweight and we never really got to see what he could have done at heavy weight, for me he talked far too much and fought far too little. But Booth gave him a great game plan v Valuev and it worked well, Booth also gave Groves a good gameplan v Degale but I don't rate Degale at all.

Booth is young though but he needs to increase his stable and stay in the background more, his actions at that shambolic brawl in Germany between Haye and Chisora were awful, looked like a drunk in a pub fight.

posted on 21/11/13

For me everything that haye achieved at heavyweight is null and void after his extensive, prolonged, crass trash talk at the klitschko's. Trash talk won't ever disappear but saying things like "You'll be crawling round the ring, you'll be stretchered out...." Don't sit well with me considering some of the tragedies that have happened in the ring. Then the feeble excuse after he lost and all his boasts just makes him look like a complete fool.

posted on 21/11/13

If Booth can make something out of the fragile David Price then he will get all the credit he deserves. Price will be the make or break of his trainer/manager legacy.

posted on 21/11/13

So according to Lionel idiotic logic the greatest heavyweight of all time Ali achievements should be null and void because he talked trash to Frazier got his butt whupped and then made excuses. Maybe idiots like you shouldn't buy into boxing hype and look past it. Wladimir Klitschko himself made a even more pathetic excuse than Haye when he got KOd by Brewster. Blamed it on poisioned water.

posted on 21/11/13

Booth is definetly a excellent trainer. Just look at the improvements both Haye and Groves made from when they started.

posted on 24/11/13

David Haye was a freak who had punching power and amazing speed and let's not forget Booth was in Hayes corner when he gassed out against Carl Thompson.

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which is weird when u consider booth started out as a PT.....

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