Wenger, last chance saloon.

comment by Samir. (U2630)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
''ou forget or dont know that man u have had massive home gates of 76 thousand for many years now and ferguson has consistantly been able to outspend us because of these massive gates and the vast advertising revenue that man u have had for many yrs -''

We've been charging the highest ticket prices in the UK for our matches. They have other sources of revenue, but a huge contributing factor was the unparalleled success Ferguson had. That is what made them a force feared across Europe and why they have been a very marketable club.

Arsenal have actually had a lot of money over the last few years. Wenger even said that two years ago, he made a £32m bid for Eden Hazard, but five other clubs matched the bid and he agreed to go to Chelsea due to personal terms, so this shows he has been capable of spending money if he wants to. Personally, I don't think his judgement is as good as it once was but that's another story.

''----- and yes money is a huge factor when a team that does not have the resources to have strength in depth as the oil rich duo of city and chelsea have ''

How have Dortmund managed to compete in Europe then? They were Champions League finalists last year and won B2B league titles.

Money makes it harder, but it is still not impossible and with the right foundations in place, that we have had, we shouldn't have struggled so badly over the last 4/5 years (where I feel we've not been competitive enough). I'm not even saying Wenger has to win every trophy, but he hasn't shown us up to a competitive enough side. We have a state-of-the-art stadium bringing in large revenue, a very good manager and some top quality players. It's been Wenger's poor judgement at times that has been a factor in our lack of success.

You still didn't answer my questions properly in my previous post.
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Yes Dortmund have also done well but there aren't many success stories like that. Money makes the football world go round, just because it's possible to compete without money on the rare occasion, it doesn't mean you underestimate how difficult it is.

We will be the only team to finish at least fourth for the last 17 years in a row. Just let that sink in. Then think who have finished above us since we last won the league. Either United who have been a juggernaut in world football or 2 oil rich teams with unlimited funds

As many people say, Wenger is a victim of his own success. We should realistically be nowhere near top 4

I'm not underestimating it. It's common knowledge that those with larger financial resources will tend to do better than those who are less well-off. What am I saying though is that for Wenger to have overachieved, he needs to have shown that we can compete with the big teams regularly and not buckle when the going has gotten tough. Whether that has changed or not remains to be seen, but you can certainly argue that being the case over the last 4/5 years.

So, in my opinion, Wenger has done what is expected of him in the last eight years in the league. No more, no less. I think he has underachieved in cup competitions, especially last year when we went out to lower league opposition which was a real kick in the teeth.

''We will be the only team to finish at least fourth for the last 17 years in a row.''

Do you get a trophy for finishing 4th? How have our standards slipped to the extent where 4th is considered successful? 4th is still a failure. No trophies is still failure. We need to have high expectations of ourselves because I know over the years, we have had teams capable of doing much better, even when Wenger was winning trophies.

In regards to the 2 oil rich teams with unlimited funds, I hope you realise we have the second wealthiest billionaire in the Premier League who is a shareholder of AFC? We are in a VERY strong financial position and we have been for the last few years - something that I have always maintained. We also had the third highest revenue in the Prem last season.

''As far as back as 2005, former chief executive Keith Edelman observed, “There are sufficient funds available to the manger for transfers”, before upping the ante a couple of years later, “We have got plenty of financial firepower to make the transfers Arsène wants to make. We had over £70 million of cash at the end of the year and if Arsène wants to spend that money, we will make it available.”

sinister

by the same criteria what transfer does not contain an element of luck when a world class player is involved and the selling club generally has the first shout if the player can leave -

you make it sound as if wenger does not want our club to do well -- as i said before what is he realistically supposed to do if the very high calibre international players he wants to better arsenal are not available ,
-------- what is he supposed to do -- magic them from thin air just to keep the impatient element of our fanbase happy --

Samir you have been deluded by media, pundits etc that we have hundreds of million to spend but Wenger is on a one man mission to keep all the money to himself. Until you understand the situation properly then you will never come up with a sensible argument.

Also the Uzbek is not the majority shareholder so the amount of money he has means diddly squat. All our spending money comes from the way the club is run.

Godfather, are you taking the mick?

I have quotes from our Chief Executive and ex-managing director about our financial position and you have the nerve to tell me I can't come up with a sensible argument? Have a look in the mirror and re-read what you're writing before you press send.

All your comment has done is confirm to me that you are not an Arsenal fan. You are an Arsene fan. Get your head out of the sand and see things as they are.

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samir

sorry mate i dont agree with your line of reasoning , so what are you saying because man u can do it ( with 76000 home gates ) and dortmund can do it that somehow makes wenger a flawed manager and he should be sacked ?

as for us having the money to match the 2 oil rich clubs ,
---- you do realise we have been paying for the the new stadium for the last 6 , 7 , yrs or whatever it is which has put a massive curb on our spending -

do you really believe that the expense of the new stadium has not been a huge financial burden for us and we have had the money to compete with the man u , city"s and chelskii"s of this world --

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chelsea sold mata to keep in line with ffp didn't they

sorry mate i dont agree with your line of reasoning , so what are you saying because man u can do it ( with 76000 home gates ) and dortmund can do it that somehow makes wenger a flawed manager and he should be sacked ?
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That's not what I'm saying at all and you know that's not what I'm saying.

I'm not going through this argument again because I've had it a million times over the last few years on this site.

As it stands, I will remain consistent in my view of Wenger until I feel he has proven me wrong. We are not going to agree on this, so let's just agree to disagree.