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The Sir Alex factor?

It's become quite clear that the great Sir Alex Ferguson really did make average players look good, good ones look great etc. Essentially he brought out an extra level that players just wouldn't have achieved under another manager.

He IMO was the greatest manager of all time and I'm sure plenty of you would agree with that. Before we go any further, this article isn't just about Fergie, and don't worry it's not about Moyes either!

I want to talk about players like Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs and Eric Cantona. These players are often sighted as World greats, even mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Xavi, Zidane, Pirlo or an equivalent in their position. On the face of it some of these comparisons appear justified, certainly team meddles wise they're up there.

Now here comes the point... were these United greats really that great? Or was it playing under Sir Alex that gave a false impression of greatness?
I believe it's the latter.

Lets start off with Paul Scholes - great at United but for England he was stuck out wide to accommodate two other centre mids. If he was that good he would have nailed down the centre-mid spot for his national side rather than just retire at the first sign of competition.

Giggs - Has never done it at international level, when was the last time he dragged his side into a major tournament? He's not just flattered to deceive internationally, under Moyes (his first season at club level without Sir Alex) he's been very poor with most United fans calling for him to be booted out the team.

Cantona - A "Godlike" Frenchman to United fans but what did he do for France? Got left out for not being good enough.

There you have it. When you take the Sir Alex factor away from these players careers, they, along with many supposedly great United players prove to be way below the levels of the top players they are compared to. They are good players, decent professionals in most cases but they aren't greats and certainly were not world class as many fans claim.

Thanks for reading.

Serious comments only, WUMs will be deleted

posted on 12/2/14

Any al; time premier league 11 that didn't include Scholes and Giggs, isn't an all time PL 11

Scholes was stuck out wide because he was more adaptable, and because Sven is a fekking idiot

For me, Scholes is the best CM this country have had in a long time, and Sir Alex would agree

posted on 12/2/14

You only have to look at what fellow professionals said about Scholes.

He's the player that Barcelona players used to ask about all the time.

posted on 12/2/14

Even though he played for United, I have to say Giggs at his best was brilliant. Scholes was the sort of player any side would want running their midfield!

posted on 12/2/14

I agree with all the above

posted on 12/2/14

actually Giggs would just miss out

-Ronaldo-Scholes-Suarez
------------Henry

posted on 12/2/14

Ronaldo----Scholes------Gerrard----Giggs
---------------Shearer------------Henry--------

Suarez wouldnt yet get in it ahead of Henry or Shearer Nor RVN. Nor Rooney.

Nice move making the formation like that to get Giggs and Shearer out and Suarez in

Suarez is a forward and competes with Shearer Rooney RVN Henry etc for the position

posted on 12/2/14

different line ups for different formations

posted on 12/2/14

I actually hate 4-4-2 so it wasn't really based on 'convenience'

posted on 12/2/14

Scholes wouldn;t play where you had him in a 4231 either

Shearer would definately be the number 9 in it too

posted on 12/2/14

I would pick suarez over rvn every single time, don't even need to think about it.

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