It seems the majority of fans on here believe that a tackle within the box that stops an obvious goal-scoring opportunity should not be a red (unless it's a dangerous tackle) as the penalty awarded gives back the goal scoring opportunity.
Now I can see the logic behind this however I don't agree it's a better option than the current one.
It's true that one side going down to ten often spoils a game and of course the fact this is coupled with a penalty (usually a goal) leads to what seems an unfair advantage for one side.
My problem with changing the rule however is that footballers are charged with doing anything they can to win. Taking away the auto red card and replacing it with a caution or even no card at all would lead to last ditch fouls by any/every player near enough to the striker of a potential goal. There would be far more penalties and obviously far fewer goals from open play (not something I'd like to see).
So IMO the suggested change would be more disruptive and worse for the game than the current system.
I'm not saying the current rule/system is perfect but I do believe it's still the best answer football, its supporters and whoever else has come up with so far.
Penalty + straight red
posted on 20/2/14
The fair and just decision would be to award a goal.
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Like penalty tries in rugby.. interesting idea.
I agree with the OP though - take away red cards to denying goalscoring opportunities in the box will lead to a lot more last-ditch fouls, spoiling the game imo.
posted on 20/2/14
I have to agree with the OP, to be honest. Only change I think ought to be made is referees paying more attention to players going diagonally away from the goal - just because you're in the box and have gone past the keeper doesn't mean you've necessarily got a clear opportunity to score. Any other rule would probably do too much to encourage last-ditch, dangerous tackles.
posted on 20/2/14
The red to Suarez didn't help Ghana.
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it didn't help Suarez either. Everyone labels him a cheat constantly! Even pool fans know he's a diving bas###d
posted on 20/2/14
comment by Arsene Wengooner (U6031)
posted 1 minute ago
The red to Suarez didn't help Ghana.
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it didn't help Suarez either. Everyone labels him a cheat constantly! Even pool fans know he's a diving bas###d
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It got his team to the WC semi final.
Plus it is not meant to help him. It should hinder him, and giving the goal does just that.
posted on 20/2/14
IMO they are 2 totally differing offences. The red card is for the foul no matter what happens next. The penalty is the start of play after the foul, the goalie might save it, the player might blast it over the bar, the outcome is uncertain. Just as a yellow card is given for other offences it has nothing to do with the actions that follow but only to do with the punishment of the previous action.
posted on 20/2/14
1....If a player shoots, passes or whatever towards the goal and somebody hand balls it to stop it going in....which let's face it, isn't that common...straight yellow and a goal.....next offence by the player will amount to a second yellow.
2...If a player rounds a keeper and is brought down in the process....a yellow and a penalty...as we have seen more players round a keeper and still miss than a hand balls on the line (ffs, Negredo rounded Valdez and missed)....this way, players will not try to get a keeper sent off (and we've seen so many of these this season already, with blatant putting a boot against an arm, followed by a theatrical dive - but the law says pen and red)....and actually attempt to score.
3...No matter where the 'last man' foul is committed outside the box.......a straight yellow and the ball is moved 10 yards forward...if that's in the area...then it's a penalty, if not, a free kick.....the next foul that is committed by the same player is a second yellow...therefore, allowing them to be subbed, or risk them being sent off, regardless of the nature of the foul....it puts the jeopardy-onus back onto the team that committed it in the first place and stops any cynical yellows.
4....If any player handballs or fouls a player in the area...it's an automatic penalty and a straight yellow card....unless, the ref deems it to be such a foul that would have warranted a red card anywhere else on the pitch.
posted on 20/2/14
Beauty and the beast there are far too many holes in that rule set you've put forward..
The current set up works.. no problem
posted on 20/2/14
comment by Redinthehead - At least we didnt finish 13th! (U1860)
posted 19 minutes ago
Beauty and the beast there are far too many holes in that rule set you've put forward..
The current set up works.. no problem
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Fair enough....explain them the holes...
posted on 20/2/14
If these two decisions went for the English sides no one would be interested in rule changes.
Keepers and defender know the rules, if they still are wanting to put poor challenges in then they have to accept the consequences.
posted on 20/2/14
Trojan I don't think the issue is as straight forward as you make it. I agree with what your saying about the outcome had the roles been reversed but to me its more the old argument of refs favouring the top clubs. City this season have a decisions go for them in the prem that in the past they probably wouldn't have got. Liverpool complained about it and I believe in every league in Europe the mi tale clubs complain about bad refing decisions going the way of the to clubs. Its exactly the same in the CL, the top clubs like Barca, Madrid and Bayern get the rub of the green far more than other clubs.