An article to both Arsenal and United fans (admin can something be done to put this on the United board). Want civil discussion, nothing blown out.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26965986
On the possibility that neither Arsenal or United get champions league football, an increasingly likely possibility, do Moyes' claims here hold up?
My view is that United are the global brand, have won trophies galore in recent years, and still have an aura of winning about them. I don't believe though any top player would/should want to play for Moyes- he just does not convince unfortunately!
On the case of Arsenal, we lack a history of recent triumph, which will really make players doubt joining us. Santi's comments (ridiculous, imo) point that players apparently do join us thinking we will win titles, which is interesting. I do feel like Wenger is a pull for players, despite his recent track record and apparent limitations. And if we did not have Wenger come June, I feel as if we would have replaced him with an attractive enough manager to draw players in.
So again- how WOULD our teams fare in the transfer window without European football?
Attracting players
posted on 10/4/14
Darren The King Fletcher
Yes, you are right I meant £4m not 4%.
United are likely to lose circa £50m next year from loss of CL revenue however.
Commerical deals (Nike, Chevrolet etc) will not cover these costs but I feel they may be absorbed with the sale/release of a few high earners (Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand etc).
posted on 10/4/14
Our Chevrolet deal is about £50m a year so it'll cover the losses of CL money.
Nike is the year after and is estimated to be between £60-70m a year, but it's not been renegotiated yet so that's not set in stone.
My point is that United will have no problems increasing the wage bill by more than £4m a year because our profits are so high and we are going to decrease the current wage bill anyway.
Arsenal won't have any problems either.
It's teams like Villa and Newcastle that it will effect not the big money makers in the pl.
posted on 10/4/14
Shoots
UEFA have been fairly clever in this regard (legal) as it is obvious there will be challenges.
To protect themselves all regulation, monitoring and censure has been outsourced. UEFA have set up an independent body (a bit like the FA panel for disciplinary matters) called the club financial control body (overseen by former judges and including the top brass from the European court).
The only issue (as far as UEFA are concerned) to this is that UEFA will have no control over the sanctions handed out.
However if a club challenges a ruling they will have no recourse against UEFA and will have to go to CAS (who are also fully supportive of FFP).
posted on 10/4/14
It's teams like Villa and Newcastle that it will effect not the big money makers in the pl.
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And to expand on this: it shows how these regulations are going a long way towards increasing the gap between the richest and the poorest clubs.
Everton are probably the team that will be most hamstrung by it because they're not too far off competing with some of the bigger sides but over the long and short it's going to be hard for them to compete due to the restrictions in place.
posted on 10/4/14
Darren The King Fletcher
It is widely believed (like most CL clubs) commercial deals are tied into CL participation, so it is impossible to place a figure on how much their ‘partners’ are going to contribute next season.
Utd may be able to spend money on transfer fees but there will certainly be restrictions on their ability to increase wages.
posted on 10/4/14
Not sure if finishing outside the top 4 will be that much of a burden. The World Cup will have come and gone and many players will look at the future not present. Both clubs have got the 2 biggest sponsorship deals around from legit sponsors and not 'parent company sponsors'.
Money is no object to these 2 teams, (bat maybe Wenger for us)
The pros and cons is the manager for both clubs
For us Wenger is still a name puller, the con is that he doesn't really go for big names.
For Moyes, his name is not a name puller. This was shown in the last 2 windows. In the Summer he just went for players he knew is Fellaini and Baines. The other target was a scam in the end. In January, Mata only came because no one else bid. The pro is that he will be willing spend over the odds to boast the team.
It should be an interesting period for both teams who once ruled this country. I still hope we will be in CL next season as we do have an easier run in then Everton, but they are playing better football then us.
If we both have Uefa next season or in Man U case possibly non, I wish us both good luck....
posted on 10/4/14
But there won't because the restriction to wage increase is only to do with the PL tv deal, and so a £4m increase won't be a problem.
The signing of Mata and Fellaini and the increase in Rooney's wages would have already gone above the permitted £4m a year already.
posted on 10/4/14
comment by Wengerite (U6219)
posted 3 hours, 23 minutes ago
Santi's comments are ridiculous because he has been one of our most disappointing performers this year. I am very sorry to say.
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He included himself in his comments; why do you assume he's b.itching about everyone else and not taking responsibility himself?
posted on 10/4/14
Darren The King Fletcher
It is understood (based on up last returns) that United’s 2013/14 wages have been estimated to be £209m, however to fall within PL constraint rules (in 2014/15) they will not be able to increase to more than £221m - about £12m to work with.
With player sales and if the Glazers are able to implement stadium naming rights (and a run in the Europa League) however United should be fine.
Further details can be found:
http://www.danielgeey.com/premier-league-cost-control-and-sustainability-provisions-published/
posted on 10/4/14
There you go then, we can increase our wage bill by more than £4m, which has been my point.