Now that World Cup is all but done and dusted with the DFB Team declared Champions for another four years, it really is a sad time to be an England fan. While the usual overhyping media like SKY and BT are waxing their fan base for the new upcoming season, we on the other hand are left to ponder what went wrong.
I wish we sack the whole squad plus the clueless Hodgson and start again by looking for solution on how and why the Germans can produce so much talent like Gotźe, young confident and talented, while we have a man speedsters like Barkley, tough, gritty, and bulldog sprinter. Nothing against the lad but, we seem to be producing giants with muscles but no footballing brain.
Our league might be exciting but the amount of aggression and "up em their face" coaching has not worked but reduced our football into a mini rugball circus. New approach required, we need our Özil, we must stop racially profiling certain race as clueless in football, cough, British Asians. It is scandalous that only blacks and mixed race get noticed within ethnic minorities but if Khedira was British, they would have dismissed him and send him to try Crickett or something.
We cannot allow tradition and hooplah to destroy the game we love, why are the Belgium Team successful for their small status, good coaching is the answer and FA that isn't locked in heritage and traditions that undermines the game, we need radical change and by sacking the whole team and manager, we have a chance even if it will take a decade.
English Football Demise!
posted on 15/7/14
comment by KPPR (U19621)
posted 7 minutes ago
From an outsider's perspective, my opinion is that England risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
In previous tournaments, England have been largely unconvincing for three or four games, and scraped through with moments of individual brilliance (normally from Beckham or Rooney). Then they'd face a really tough opponent and they'd get found out (a la Portugal, twice); but because they'd scraped through that far, there was an air of delusion that they were being robbed - cue finger-pointing and scape-goating and making too much out of a wink.
This World Cup indicated, however subtly, that some lessons were being learned. The team were actually playing with some cohesion, they were building a pattern of play, and they actually looked like a team. Even if they came up against better opponents, they actually showed they can give a good account for themselves, and this is something they'll learn from.
Hodgson, in my opinion, only made one mistake - not dropping Rooney. He was out of form, he disrupted England's shape with his movement, and you could tell that his head wasn't really in Brazil. Lallana, who had played well in the build-up, should have been on the left. This would also have sent out a message that nobody was undroppable.
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A sensible post
posted on 15/7/14
Of course you can, that's kind of the point - in pretty much every competition there's only one winner. And in international competition, that means only one country/nation. Isn't this obvious?
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Of course it's obvious,so no need to say it..
posted on 15/7/14
comment by Trevor The Terrible (U8103)
posted 4 minutes ago
Of course you can, that's kind of the point - in pretty much every competition there's only one winner. And in international competition, that means only one country/nation. Isn't this obvious?
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Of course it's obvious,so no need to say it..
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Well, mostly because you felt the need to point out that my statement could be made about most countries - which was the whole point of my statement. I thought you might need some more help.
posted on 15/7/14
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 forever (U14971)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 41 minutes ago
Didn't this happen last time? Lots of money was spent, some people got fat and nothing changed.
The English need to accept that people are better than them at most things. That's really not a problem, they generally overachieve to be fair.
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Seriously? Like music, science, art, literature, sport (look at our Olympic performances) and brutally running empires? I think we come up trumps in a lot of areas. And I'm no patriot.
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The English are represented in all those areas - but far from dominant. Proportionally the Scots do better in all those areas - and that's just picking another tiny nation at random.
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Hah my bad. My issue is I see myself as British and jumped straight to a British level of talking about things. But of course the Scots do better proportionately when they take more than they give from the Union (taxes taken in and government expenditure). They have the benefits of a union that gave them first world power status in a way that they might not have achieved so quickly were they of on an island somewhere. After all the Union came about as a sort of bailout of the country.
posted on 15/7/14
Would argue that hodgson made far more mistakes than just not dropping Rooney. But Brazil showed the exact same issues, bad coach picks all the wrong players. And no we have said for years to copy the german approach, cant think once that anyone said copy the Spanish, we knew it was just a freak to get só many good players together, and this happens in phases.
But its far more than just players but to establish better coaching for youngsters. Move away from 11 a side for 8-10 year olds. We should be doing the basics here on a small pitch. We have messiesque players but we phase them out as they are too small for 11 a side, and loose interest in football as they are constantly overlooked for quicker stronger boys (just bigger at this time in their development).
posted on 15/7/14
comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 44 minutes ago
I also think the talent pool is spread very thin for a population our size.
We have Rugby teams (both codes), Cricket, athletics and numerous others if a child of 9-10 shows a bit more talent at that age for running or cricket then that's the way he is lead.
I cant think of many populations our size that compete at the top international level at so many sports.
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Read a decent article in one of the papers about a year or so back on this very theme. If we want to win at football - scrap rugby and cricket!
posted on 15/7/14
Good post KPPR. That's basically how I saw it from Spain - might just be harder to see things a bit more objectively from the inside.
posted on 15/7/14
But Brazil showed the exact same issues, bad coach picks all the wrong players. And no we have said for years to copy the german approach, cant think once that anyone said copy the Spanish, we knew it was just a freak to get só many good players together, and this happens in phases.
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But it also helps to have a gradual turnover of players. Germany's squad had 16 survivors from Euro 2012, but the line-up wasn't exactly the same and the players that came in had something to contribute.
Whereas with England squads, the starting eleven normally has about 8-9 players surviving from the last tournament, plus a couple of in-vogue replacements who are normally pushed into the squad by the fans and the media (Andy Carroll, for example). But the rest of the squad is normally made up of fringe players and nobodies who have little to offer.
posted on 15/7/14
comment by Superb - the canard (U6486)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by KPPR (U19621)
posted 7 minutes ago
From an outsider's perspective, my opinion is that England risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
In previous tournaments, England have been largely unconvincing for three or four games, and scraped through with moments of individual brilliance (normally from Beckham or Rooney). Then they'd face a really tough opponent and they'd get found out (a la Portugal, twice); but because they'd scraped through that far, there was an air of delusion that they were being robbed - cue finger-pointing and scape-goating and making too much out of a wink.
This World Cup indicated, however subtly, that some lessons were being learned. The team were actually playing with some cohesion, they were building a pattern of play, and they actually looked like a team. Even if they came up against better opponents, they actually showed they can give a good account for themselves, and this is something they'll learn from.
Hodgson, in my opinion, only made one mistake - not dropping Rooney. He was out of form, he disrupted England's shape with his movement, and you could tell that his head wasn't really in Brazil. Lallana, who had played well in the build-up, should have been on the left. This would also have sent out a message that nobody was undroppable.
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A sensible post
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Not for me
Terry Venables made the best point
England failed because some of our players were trying to showboat their own talents to the detriment of the team
One of the players was not Rooney who was England's best player against Uruguay, the only occasion he got to play in his position.
For me, one of the main reasons we didn't go far was because our cf was greedy (as usual) and totally ineffective.
These young players have to learn how to play as a team
posted on 15/7/14
we knew it was just a freak to get só many good players together
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I don't agree. You don't generally just hit on a World Cup winning team by chance. Yes, you need players from different generations to come together at the right time, which also requires a very large talent pool to choose from and years of hard work behind the scenes to achieve.
It can hardly be seen as a freak if you look at Spain's success in youth tournaments for the best part of 15 years. Even now, they're 2-time U-21 champions with a lot of players who are yet to make their mark on the senior team.
There's a new crop that Del Bosque hasn't blooded in time; he made the big mistake of going with the old guard when two years ago there were already clear signs of fatigue. The most painful thing about this World Cup as a Spaniard was the feeling that Spain did indeed have the players to be challenging for it, but any national side will always be a work in progress; you simply cannot afford to stand still.